Cheater removed 4 hours ago is already back
The cheater removed about 4 hours ago, for selling models of the CS GO game among others, has already returned and has 10 published models. Many may not have heard, because the comment thread disappeared from the forum before the cheater was removed. To be fair I will say that he also sells his stolen models at TS, with the same name he used here before being phased out, (CSGOniffty).
Good catch Tecna!
:) well spotted!
With all this thieves I was interested how long it will take for me to find some another thief?
I browsed newest models then picked some seller and find this:
I don't play too many games so I couldn't recognize this character but google says that this is Resident Evil.
So I wander should I post about this kind of sellers here?: https://www.cgtrader.com/forum/selling-buying-3d-models/what-to-do-with-frauders
Does CGT read this thread and ban them? I just not shure about reporting models because they can only remove reported model and not the seller.
Also models like this looks suspicious for me but I can't find any 100% proof that it's not original work.
I mean pictures looks cutted out and on matcap renders you can see some smoothing artifacts. I don't think that artist who can create such good model will mess up the smoothing. And as far as I know this happens when ripping models.
The issue here, I think is not how fast they are detected. The question is how fast they re-enter. What is the use of them being quickly detected and eliminated (not so quickly), if they re-enter immediately? Why is CGT unable to control this?
Every day several cheats come in, and each one publishes numerous models a day. For example, the cheat already mentioned:
He has published almost 300 models in 3 months. Most of them are drawn from games. Some no longer exist, I do not know if they have been deleted by the user or CGT.
There are many other users, long reported for the same reason, that have not yet been removed. Most of those models come from the same site. Some users do not even bother to hide it and put images with the logo of the pirated page or say it openly in the description.
A new one, with 10 models published in 3 days, some of games and others free like this one:
original model :
How long is this going to be allowed?
it is necessary to tighten the creation of profiles and withdrawals of money...
+ small department (3-5) stuff to detect such a profile..
Yeah, and it's not hard at all to detect thieves.
They had never modeled something more complex than a box themselves, so they look at 3D models like potatoes.
$10 characters, $10 interiors, $10 cars - when you see something like this it's pretty much safe bet that it's stolen, you just need Google to find the original.
You can clearly see what neglecting this problem over the years did to pricing nowadays...
It's sad, because a few years ago you could be proud to call yourself a 3D Artist.
Now, because of all these thieves undercutting, customers look at us like beggars...
As long as cgtrader doesn't ban payout accounts they will keep coming back. Like cockroaches.
Yeah! Nice work!
(Not sure if allowed to post links on other sites but anyway)
The cheat removed a few days ago is still here, posting the same stolen models (not to mention the game name) and new ones, from games like Frozen and Apex Legends. It seems that he is aware of the news on the pirated page where he downloads them. Actually CGT seems to be a clone of that page, because the same stolen models appear at the same time, and also in the profile of several users.
@Azuyan, the one you mentioned in your last message, I would say that he is also a repeat offender. There are several reported months ago, that have not yet been removed and that have greatly increased their collection, with models stolen from other games (and sales). I have also found another one, which was removed for the first time in 2018 and then a few other times, the last one 3 months ago, with numerous clones.
All this is useless, CGT doesn't even check the forum like before, when it moved the model threads to the showcase board which is where they should be. And when it steps in, it just posts a bot-worthy reply. Furthermore, with his attitude, he has amply demonstrated that much less he is going to take effective measures to avoid these repeated and imminent infractions.
It is shameful. How long are we going to put up with this? (and I speak in general of all the markets, but especially of CGT)
Yes, this is very bad! I have noticed that there are more activity recently. Especially interesting lately are those that appear in private messages and if I don't answer, my rating decreases. CGT would have to wake up because this is spreading very fast and there are more and more of them
Some more examples of stolen models, published in recent days (no wonder they take time to eliminate cheats, because there are many):
Another user with the same models of the CS GO game
Two users (CGKatmash and lalapat777) with models from the Mad Max game
Two other users, (jacki-rulit and character-library, formerly known as PansyArt), with models from the stomping land game
2 other users (again character-library, and the recently removed user clone CSCOniffty, Blender 006), with models from Frozen:
The rest of the models of the user character-library are from the game PUBG and DAZ
Bugati already deleted numerous users:
Original author, published in 2017 and available for free:
Available free, for 6 years, here:
And the biggest cheat of all, already eliminated on numerous occasions, (cganimalword, humantools ...) that has already deleted some of the DAZ models that he had republished, now returns with Evermotion models:
I can understand that CGT cannot control all the models that are published daily, but what is not admissible in any way is that they allow the same cheats to re-enter again and again, even hours after being eliminated as the protagonist of This thread, which already has 31 models published and may even have a sale.
I can't understand how it's possible to reenter as a seller since everyone has to prove identity with identity card / drivers license. So that means there are either groups of people behind it or forgery of documents going on?
Perhaps CGT can and should explain it. Some of them have been removed several times in the same week. Others several times with the same username and also with other names. Apart from those already mentioned we have:
vagrancy clones: vagrancy1, vagrancy2, wonderfull1, wonderfull2, cgmodelking
clones of tranduyhieu2017: trantannhatrang2019, trantanhcm2019, candychi2018, chauchi2020, chauchi2021, 3dcg2020, 3dcgvn2020, 3dcg86
studio2020 clones: turbocg, pixorender, oksanavodrov
treworld3d clones: pixorender, 2dmagicpixel, cghumanshop, cghumanfactory, 3dmodelshop, motionblaster, Cganimalworld, Cganimalworld1, 3dartseller,
monk3yd clone: 3monkey
sh-studio clone: 3d-Factory
creative-juice clone: CreativeJuice3D
They are not likely to use falsified documentation. It is also not credible that with the team of professionals they have, they are not able to avoid it. The logical conclusion is that it is known, but allowed for convenience.
Firstly let me thank you for your efforts on catching the fraudulent users selling stolen content on our marketplace. This is a continues issue that haunts our marketplace, however I am glad to inform you that we are already working on a possible solution, which should prevent suspended sellers to sell stolen content from newly created accounts.
All the best,
Justas from CGTrader
Thank you. It is very good news, which will benefit us all and greatly improve the problem. It will also help them to be more, the users who keep CGT clean, because their efforts will not fall on deaf ears. I hope it will come true soon.
The most striking thing is that there is a lot of thievs that resell stolen models from legit cgt sellers. They buy model with stolen credit card etc and than that same model put on sale on cgt, so you have two identical models listed one above other, one priced 5$ (stolen) and one 180$.
No, they buy models for warez sites (fraudulent transaction) and then put them on sale here . I personally caught down about 5 of them. Some comeback, some don't. I think those who are in some ways are asociated with warez sites come back.
Increasingly, there are many pages, disguised as legal 3D markets, that instead of offering stolen models for free, offer large collections of those models, at extremely low prices. There are also others, which offer premium access to fast downloads (for a fee) of stolen models. I think models, and those other practices, are the bait to get the data on the payment methods that bargain shoppers use and then use to make fraudulent model purchases, which end up on pirated pages. I think that these fraudsters do not report to the police, because they could have problems buying stolen material, and they simply ask the bank to cancel the purchases. The way we sellers affected by fraudulent purchases to protect ourselves is to report the police, so that it can be investigated and resolved. This would reduce fraud and the number of models that end up on pirated pages.
I have also observed and find it very significant that many of the models found on the pirated pages have watermarks from a legitimate market, which sells the models by subscription. I am not clear who is responsible, it may be the market itself (intentionally or for lack of security), or it may be the buyers who buy from it, but what I am clear about is that I will never publish my models there.
There are other pages where honest vendors and cheeky pirates coexist, kindly reporting which game the model has been mined from. There are also some that do not have the slightest information about the owner of the website, or where to file a claim for copyright infringement. Others that put all kinds of obstacles to make the claims, even for the legitimate owners of the rights, (for example only admitting the claim by fax). We must be suspicious of those pages. And you have to read the rules of the page carefully (something that many people do not do) before starting to sell or buy, because it is still a contract, with its rights and obligations.
I believe that markets have an important role in the fight against fraud and piracy, but I believe that sellers can also help, not by selling our models on dubious pages, which support or are tolerant of thieves.
nice work bro, just repoert to cgtrader team
Nothing seems to be done to improve the situation. The user already mentioned in this thread and deleted a week ago, character-library, formerly known as PansyArt, has returned with the same name (PansyArt) and the same stolen model:
why he keep doing this? this is not fair
It is for money. Even a short time to sell stolen models gives him a money...
I just wanted to share one of a 1 000 000 out there.
Every single one model is stolen from game Forza Motosport 3/4/ horizon
AS LONG AS CGTRADER DOES NOT BAN PAYOUT ACCOUNTS THEY WILL COME BACK. THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. SO DON’T EXPECT THEM TO STOP.
Actually we are doing this thief hunt for a long time and purposing very easy solutions but we can not see real action so in a way this makes cgtrader accomplice of this crime.
Here we have a much more serious case, the user Eboldstudio. This user had DAZ models removed at the end of 2018 (I have the documentation that proves it), but the user was not removed. It currently has 184 models (not the DAZ models) and more than 10,000 reputation points. She also has an account on TS, renderhub and 3dexport, where she also sells DAZ models and at 3dexport she is also an exclusive seller. Now he is more cunning and covers his tracks well, except in this model (image 6):
but she's still a cheater and she's still making money.
Yesterday I sent a report with 4 cheats, which have not yet been removed and one of them (usmannaveed2005), with models from a CGT user and from the Marvel Heroes game, already has 10 more models. These models were removed on Saturday from 3dexport (technical support informed me that they had been removed) and I don't have an account there.
A few days ago I reported a user, (who had reported more than 1 month for other models), who published an exclusive TS model of $ 1,800, that the cheater sold for $ 35. I had to send 3 emails for the user to be removed, because only that model had been removed.
Every day numerous stolen models are published, for example:
- The user, dubagiang has published 23 models in the last 2 days and each one has a different logo in the images.
- The user xianluobosi, (he has also published more than 20 models of pirated pages, in the last 2 days), but nevertheless erasedly deletes the logo of the author of the images:
- User beastkiller1243 published 4 models yesterday, all of them free, one of them right here:
- User niakien, 2 DAZ models, posted 2 days ago:
- From the user ziroga, with the same mesh as the previous user, published in January:
- Like these from the user rhenderart, also published 2 days ago, (although she has simplified the mesh, she says so in her profile):
- The user about3d, although I am not sure, I think it is also from the users mentioned (and removed) in this same thread by DAZ models, with this link (which no longer exists):
It is a serious problem, (widespread in all markets, to varying degrees) and that affects us all. Since markets do nothing, we should be the users to take the initiative
Update: The cheats of the report sent yesterday, (usmannaveed2005, wnag, lordunuzum and theknowledgeguy), have already been removed. But how long will it take to return?
It is more than evident that the markets are not going to do anything to end fraud and that informing CGT is useless, since they allow them to continue entering. It may be better to inform the legitimate owners and the buyers.
@skaprikon, The case of jewelry counterfeits is especially serious on CGT. In none of the other markets are there as many as here (just do a search to check it). Even with claims from brand owners, models erased from some users, they have been republished and those users have numerous sales and continue to sell their fakes. That only attracts rabble, but it's lucrative. What does that say about who consents? What company would allow this?
i think better cgtrader team provide a system to detect them...i have an idea its like tracing duplicate image/duplicate model and compare which model is upload first is the owner and others will auto ban...this system maybe have chance to change the market.
@skapricorn, it is not the same a replica, an imitation or a fake. An imitation, although unethical, does not constitute an infringement of intellectual property or trademark rights, because it differs slightly from the original and does not attempt to supplant it (for example caricatures). But a relic is identical, (it would be the case of scanned models owned by third parties, for example) and it is illegal, except in authorized cases (museum copies and similar cases). A counterfeit also includes the improper use of a registered trademark and is also illegal. If it is done for profit, it is also an aggravating circumstance, because it supposes economic damage for the legitimate owner). It is not that I call it that, as you say, it is what the law says, and there are more and more cases of lawsuits on this subject, especially in repeated cases or of high amounts. It is not something to be taken as a joke. The fact that it's what customers demand doesn't stop it from being illegal, but it does say a lot about the type of customers that abound around here and what CGT is becoming. In the case of jewelry models, action figures ... it is more serious because they can be reproduced in their entirety and could replace the original, that does not happen for example with car models that have other components (electrical, electronic) that are not included in the model. But, ALL models that use trademarks without permission of the brand owner, are breaking not only internal rules, but also the law. And we are not children, we are responsible for our actions, even if we do not know the law.
@PBRCool, any contribution that helps to detect them is good, but the problem is, that there are many detected that have not been eliminated yet, and when they are eliminated it is not definitive. That has a name and it is NEGLIGENCE, because the law requires not only to immediately remove the infringing material, but also to take the necessary measures to avoid repeated and imminent infractions.
Everyone has their own opinion, it may even be contrary to the law, but that does not give immunity to break it. What this thread is about is the confirmed cheats that CGT allows them to re-enter and 2 of those mentioned here, deleted a few days ago have already re-entered (PansyArt and about3d).
CGT does not handle copyright infringements well, even if it is the copyright owner who is claiming. For example, in TS ALL Lamborghini models have been removed and no new models are released (not even with editorial license). Here although they have been removed, some have reappeared and the brand continues to be used as a keyword in other models. It would not be difficult to avoid it, but it is not done. Lamborghini is surely not as patient as us and will not come to complain to the forum. Another example, from a model that includes the Cartier brand, published on 2019-11-15:
Probably the owner of the brand claimed, because the model was previously removed. In buyer ratings, it is seen that the same model was sold on 2019-08-07 (date prior to the current model's release date), with this link no longer exists:
It is the same model, with the same images and the brand continues to appear in the model and in the keywords, only the brand has been removed from the model name and the word cartier in the link has been replaced by carrtier.
If you do a search on TS with the keyword cartier no model is found, (there are more than 1,500 here) and only 2 sellers have imitations of that model (both imitations and counterfeits abound here).
To me all this shows me that CGT does not manage these infractions well, (at least much worse than its competitors) and it does it knowingly, because it is not so difficult to identify and block the violators, when they have their documentation, or to filter certain words, just like other markets do or right here it is done in other cases (nudes, weapons ...).
Update: The user EboldStudio mentioned in this same thread and deleted a few days ago (for the second time), is already here again with the username eboldstudio. CGT is not able to control this? I do not think so, nor is anyone to believe it. Simply CONSENT.
i agree, the fact that cg trader can*t detect a thief when he even uses the same name is ridiculous.
making a detection system that informs the crew of thief's that use the same name over and over should be the easiest thing to do. basics of the basics.
Calm down guys. It's not fair to blame the cgtrader that thieves are re-entering multiple times after banning. As long as they are caught and ban again promptly, eventually they will run out of steam and will be forced to find more rewarding activities to pursuit.
Automatic blocking of new user registration, based on similarities of already corrupt username, is a silly idea. Not only it would not prevent thieves to re-enter again with ease, but it also could potentially spoil a lot of perfectly legit usernames. Nobody needs that.
That they come back in again and again shows that CGT does not do its job well. The law requires not only the removal of infringing material, but also the efficient prevention of repeated and imminent infringements. You will see how when they have no choice but to do it, they will do it quickly. Because it can be done and in fact it is done in many other areas. The prohibition must be made to the official documentation that the user provides (which is what it is provided for), in the registration of the seller, (passport or similar) that is UNIQUE and identifies the person unequivocally, along with other personal data such as date and place of birth. This is not a friends forum, it is a place where commercial activities take place and users are perfectly identified for tax management and possible legal claims. CGT is obliged to save the documentation, even years after the user has unsubscribed. So yes, it can and should be done, but it is not done.
when i was talking about the usernames, i was not talking about auto banning.
i was more talking about checking them to see if it is the same person or not. and perhaps do a extra check on the models they upload. that is all cg trader needs to do to see if its the same thief. I find auto banning just as ridiculous as you do.
All of us need to enter official user information. . When a different person happens to use the same name, it means that he uses different information so that is easy to keep apart. And as long as this other person does not upload stolen content, the extra check will not hurt him or even be noticed.
If Cgtrader is serious about this issue they can act in days and ban all account associated with thefts. And take percussion for them not to come back. Remember the printable gun issue? They removed all printable gun models in days. If there is a law that they must obey they act like in days. But in this situation there is not a law that enforces them to do. So they don’t need to.
@LemonadeCG, even if you are not a full-fledged seller, you can make sales and generate income by selling the stolen models. That money, if the seller is finally eliminated, remains in the possession of CGT and that is even more serious, because it is knowingly allowing economic damage to the original author and CGT keeps 100% of the profit obtained from the fraudulent sale. , which makes him an accomplice to fraud, caused by his negligence.
And it is not an isolated case, you know as I do, that more than 200 fraudulent sellers have been eliminated in the last months. Many of them with high sales and a large number of stolen models. And many of them are also repeat offenders, for example the case of CSGOniffty (protagonist of this thread) and all the others mentioned also in this thread, or that of EboldStudio, eliminated for the first time in 2018 and is still here, or the case from sh-studio that appeared again days after being removed and at least made a sale of the audi showroom model until it was removed (and it was, because we protested, not because CGT detected it, as in the other cases mentioned ), or the multiple treeworld clones first deleted in March and still around here, the Seekstore case, deleted a month ago and reappeared days later (this user has not been deleted yet and more than a month ago from his reappearance). If CGT follows up on the banned accounts, or is not doing it right, or repeat offenders submit false documentation, which is even more serious if the authorities have not been informed of this.
@qur, there is a law, the law on copyright and related rights, but if those affected do not enforce our rights, the cheats are won.
What I am saying is that they have an obligation by law to take the necessary measures to avoid repeated and imminent infractions and they do not do it effectively. And this is especially recommended if you are also obtaining a benefit, with that illegal activity, that you would not have obtained if you had taken the necessary and obligatory measures. One must not only be honest, one must also appear so.
Allowing to operate an account without having checked the documentation, and not keeping track of new sellers, that is nonsense and is the root of this and other problems, such as ghost sales.
Furthermore, even after checking the documentation, they are still unable to identify repeat offenders, (for example, the Seekstore clones have been here for more than a month, with almost 100 models published). Or it is negligence or ineptitude, (in neither of the 2 cases is it to be proud of) and the authors of the models it sells (and will have already sold some), continue to be harmed.
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