What to do with frauders?
They are here for long time.
Cadcart, micheldogary-, shurik-ryas, probably grivajewel and cadholder-1 and lots of others people that uploading hundreds of items per day. And usually this models are very suspicious. They have a lot of same (or very similar models), don't have normal info about item, they declaring 3DM format, but instead of it are just wrapping STL into 3DM file etc etc etc. Most of all this stuff was collected on internet for free, or just used Matrix/Rhinogold (or similar) samples and library elements. And this "free" stuff was leaked from 3d-printing service studios (stolen by managers, printer operators etc...)
Does CGtrader have any ideas what to do with this people?
I know, CGT have profit from each sale and money doesn't smell. But what about reputation and what about real modelers and designers who are harmed by these "sellers"?
And speaking about other suspicious "designers": Here is description from the page of one (newcomer who selling Jcad stuff for 3$ per model): ___<<
We are trying to provide lots of perfect jewelry 3d file for your
production, we have our own design team, create hundreds models per
month, and we keep providing high-quality jewelry cad 3d file for you.
Thousands of designs will be uploaded every month, pls keep follow us
for new arrival designs.>>___ Brilliant! They have HUNDREDS of slaves who making models to throw it in internet for free. (And I'm even not talking about Jcad niche "quality").
If you have evidence of stolen assets being sold, then provide them to support and illegall content or even whole accounts will be removed. Otherwise, i would restrain myself from calling other sellers as frauders or scammers without solid evidence, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.
@skapricorn, i just write you PM.
So, what you said makes me wonder, so I looked at some of these models, especially the models of michaeldogarry-1 because he is the #1 on the list "TopDesigners".
And besides these models may or may not be stolen, what I found kind of suspicious is the FACT that every single model he uploaded he just has 1 to 5 different pictures BUT 30 to 100 times uploaded!!!
That doesn't seem to be a problem at first but remember: more pictures = higher publishing score for your model = better ranking in search.
So again the models may or may not be stolen but he definitely don't "play fair".
I tried the same to test it so I uploaded the exact same amount of models, same format, copied his description, copied the tags.
With just 1 Picture the Score is about 4.2 but with 50 Pictures which are all the exact same one:
Lady and gentleman hold your beer: the score is 8.0!
That's a howl new league!
Same for free on Thingiverse (published as far in 2013):
Another evidences? Just look at real author's site ( http://noktamodel.com/index.php ) author's name is Burak Yalcin.
All this stuff is selling by multiple "authors" (such as cadcart, shurik-ryas and others) for a very long time. And CGtrader is literally flooded by this stuff.
As modeler I can say: almost all of those copies looks not like remodeled, reverce-engineered or retopo'ed but like absolutely same models stolen many years ago and downloaded from "shadow zone". For example: https://vk.com/albums-57934042 or https://vk.com/album-57934042_248226332 there are "sales", but in real isn't complicated to ask there somebody about free copy. "Companies" like 3dwax.ru and 3drings.ru are pretty "famous" between illegal stuff searchers and sellers.
One more stolen model:
Proof? I have all project files. Because it was modeled by me. As far in year 2010. I provided to administration ZIP with this files. Let admins looks at file attributes and properties.
One more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-ring-with-emerald-8acb1cb4-edcf-473b-805d-14061b08c54a
And the same model I seen in some "top sellers" stores. This model was also modeled by me on demand of my customer many years ago. I never published it because it was made UGLY (i don't like to place stones this way) by the will of client. And because it contains datum: 2006/28/04 (who needs others memories????)))))))) Admins needs proofs??? OK! Archive with source project attributed way older than 2017 (2010, but model was produced earlier) is on my HDD and copy is in cloud.
And because topic about sellers selling stolen and leaked models for 3d printing is not as interesting for people on CGT, i will say pair words on my native language:
Для того, чтобы из магазина продавца shurik-ryas были удалены несколько моих моделей, понадобился целый день практически бессмысленного пинг-понга по и-мэйлу с технической поддержкой CGT. И я не уверен, что эти модели были удалены по моей просьбе, потому что ссылки на них перестали работеть только после того, как я поделился ими с одним из пользователей, котоырй официально отношения к администрации не имеет. Все остальные ссылки, которые я отправлял в хелпдеск остаются без реакции и без ответа. Выходит, что вторая в мире по величине и объёму трафика биржа 3d-моделей не настолько велика по своим деяниям. Возникают подозрения, что некоторые люди в администрации CGT как-то связаны с некоторыми нечистыми на руку продавцами-"пылесосами". Сложилось впечатление, что ситуация, когда нечистые совестью продавцы торгуют краденными, слитыми из принт-сервисов и мастерских или собранными по пиратским пабликам на вконтакте моделями, ничуть не беспокоит CGT, либо же CGT намеренно выбрал такой путь с целью иметь в обороте много тысяч моделей, с которых всё-таки можно имметь какой-то процент. С точки зрения цели получения выгоды CGT можно понять. Этически -- нет. Абсолютно непроверенные и не проверяемые никем, топ-"дизайнеры" продолжают заливать тонны несвоих моделей на площадку, подстёгивая клиентов, стремящихся получить большее за меньшие деньги или бесплатно (это нормально, это естественно, это природа человека). Меж тем, честным дизайнерам и модельерам остаётся только уяснить для самих себя: своим трудом деньги не заработаешь, за свой
Two different sellers. The same model. Not only visually but also in description: estimated weight and dimensions are the same for all 3 models.
One smaller shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-256-b944f14d-4305-4407-87bd-12bc4849290c sells stolen model.
One example how works CGT.
I needed pretty long time to prepare and to upload new item https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-rings-with-inner-ornament I finished uploading and placed the model at ca 14-00 CET. Now is 17-10 CET and view of jewelry on CGT (sorted as "Newest") shows that only few users added new models. But my model is deep in butthole (~80th). 90% of today model flood made by cadcart via "batch uploading". Me and other authors have any chance to bee seen by buyers? (Answer is NO).
Also today shitseller CadHolder1 added again same old copy of StGeorge ring (yesterday it was suspended after my reports) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/fancy-ring-dfa64f13-acff-48cf-b735-1622ba94190c
I don't know what administration is doing. Seems like they are too busy to control what users are uploading :))
Same identical shit from the same shitsellers (ritaflower and cadcart)
And summarizing my last days activity I can say Thanks to CGT administration for suspending some models. But most of links still alive.
I don't want to dig all this shit deeper and to pee against the wind.
I noticed one more thing: last days I uploaded just 1 model, sold nothing ("black friday" is only for "top's"... not for dorks like me ), but gained lots of reputation points only because I played role of insane shitcrawler here on forum. I think it's absolutely wrong thing. I woul'd be much happier if I gained only half of quarter of this points not via flood but via publishing and sales. Life is life.
I can conclude that my "fight against thieves" is failed. Fraudsters on CGT (as on the rest of Internet) will win every time and forever. Amen. Thanks.
(Better I'll go to unload cars on the railway because it's easier and much better paid job).
This problem was neglected for far too long and reached extreme levels in the last 2-3years.
All 3D marketplaces must realize that this can no longer continue and measures should be taken now.
We may disagree on the methods, but I think we all agree this is a very serious issue which discourages all honest Artists here.
One more newcomer that needs to be inspected. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=tyraell (if not the same then very very similar stuff is numerously presented by other "authors", I posted links to this designs in this thread before)
Infamous shurik-ryas: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101165
Original from thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40212
Another "masterwork" from shurik-ryas https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101218
Source: http://medelis.se/3D%20models/Medelis%203D/BabyGroot.stl (available for free download)
Anothers models from Medelis: https://medelis.se/store.html
At this moment none of persons who multiple times tried to sell (and sold) stolen or free models as "own" works still not punished and still uploading shit again.
For example: sorting "jewelry" every morning with sorting "newest" models I still finding every time freshly uploaded "saint george ring " models and other old stuff.
This whole thread makes me depressive.
It is so unfair to see that many guys who get so much money, with apparently stolen models, while you have to be happy about every single sale.
The haul after today's morning coffee (already reported to administration as usually):
"Versace" gorgona clones
Older (also stolen stuff, but I don't found evidences yet)
Set that has interfering models (from Cadholder1): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d
Were deleted/suspended after my report, but Cadholder1 uploaded it again:
"templar" signet ring
Another ring from the same collection:
Why CGT employees can not just input on server some SQL-query to find and filter models from different sellers that have identical attributes (file extension, checksum and file size). During my "birdwatching" i noticed lot of times that most of fraudsters are selling the same FILES with common size and extension.
(I don't pretending to anything, but it's really pretty hard: doing for free job of paid employees using only regular and buggy search tools of CGT... I'm interpreting my actions as investment to my and other fair designers better chances to be viewed and sold. But my mental health isn't rock-solid:)))))))) )
Example of identical file attributes (both from cadcart):
The same renders, the same files: Rhino 3DM 67.6 MB
I suppose cadcart don't knows he/she sells not only scam but has duplicates in own store :))))
They are in London but working more cynically than russians (comparing with russian Ritaflower or shurik-ryas (ok, shurik is from Donbass-dumbass and now living in Lithuania or Latvia, but it's "russian world")). HILARIOUS!!!!
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