What to do with frauders?

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

one more big scamseller:

https://www.cgtrader.com/jewelry-cadder

tonyf wrote about 2 months ago

How is this a scammer, they dont have those models when you buy it ?

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

one more "big bro" https://www.cgtrader.com/jewelry-cadder

LemonadeCG

Posted 12 months ago

If you have evidence of stolen assets being sold, then provide them to support and illegall content or even whole accounts will be removed. Otherwise, i would restrain myself from calling other sellers as frauders or scammers without solid evidence, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

I reported some items. And I'm don't shy about it. But here.is no limit to uploads and hard limit to models you can report. Another point: admins are deleting only one reported model. Not both, not three, four etc. If CGT os caring about reputation, admins.must do their work as.needed, not only by demand.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

And man, I'm 20 years in jewelry industry and 17 years in modeling for jewelry, I see, what is scam.

LemonadeCG

Posted 12 months ago

@skapricorn, i just write you PM.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Thanks, Lemonade. Got and answered. "Live.long an prosper"!

marpro

Posted 12 months ago

So, what you said makes me wonder, so I looked at some of these models, especially the models of michaeldogarry-1 because he is the #1 on the list "TopDesigners".
And besides these models may or may not be stolen, what I found kind of suspicious is the FACT that every single model he uploaded he just has 1 to 5 different pictures BUT 30 to 100 times uploaded!!!
That doesn't seem to be a problem at first but remember: more pictures = higher publishing score for your model = better ranking in search.

So again the models may or may not be stolen but he definitely don't "play fair".

Btw.
I tried the same to test it so I uploaded the exact same amount of models, same format, copied his description, copied the tags.
With just 1 Picture the Score is about 4.2 but with 50 Pictures which are all the exact same one:
Lady and gentleman hold your beer: the score is 8.0!
That's a howl new league!

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Yes, I'm also started adding unnecessary pictures and useless for printing and for industrial design formats (as OBJ) while ago. Only for better publishing score. And I'm feeling like I'm generating spam just because CGT "loves it". It works (or worked) but not as much. Publishing score gives me no profit or more views. It just gives access to "analytics"(and this analytics is pretty useless for me). So I don't want to making unnecessary (and dirty) moves (like adding lots of pictures and unneeded formats) further.

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

The system CGT made has its advantages and uses, but has to be refined for specific cases (like textures for examples) and there has to be punishments for those who exploit it ( deducting 50 reputation points could be a good prevention method for cases like this one).

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

The best prevention would be more smarter rules of "publishing score" calculation.

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

Identical image detection will also be not very hard to develop I guess

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

You're right. But the rule "Add as more pictures as possible" is stupid in the ground. Not for all models 1000 pictures and renders are needed and in the same time no one wants to have "1.0" as PS for their models.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Maybe it's not bad for fully rigged mega-tech-robot or for model for animation etc. (Also additional format). But when for some relatively NURBS-model of flat pendant that intended for CNC-machining or for 3d-printing I need to add OBJ's and pair of dozens of views -- it confusing me and it's very hard to be psychologicallyaccepted by customers (and OBJ, 3DS and other "cartoon"-formats in this case just gaves additional load to CGT servers....)

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Searching and analyse MUST be an internal tool for CGtrader. It can detect copysellers/thieves https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-3dm-stl-file-3d-print-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-snake-10362 https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-35-d9c8c5e5-bcd3-481a-bbc4-f307fa8f7aad https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/free-model-c7d77e5a-57bb-48ec-8cb5-495ae6762d19

zabotlama wrote 12 months ago

I must say that I agree in this case and I would only add that similarly stupid is also rule: "Add as more key-words as possible". The negative effect of this is category spamming in other words some artists are adding irrelevant key-words. I personally have sometimes problem to think the minimal required 5 keywords.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

small correction for my previous comment with links: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226

LemonadeCG wrote 12 months ago

I totally agree with the rest. It's bad enough that certain sellers upload same or almost identical models numerous times, but when they exploit the publishing score in a such rude manner to get their models on top of all others... This behaviour should be punished. Fair sellers just stand no chance. No wonder why everyone is so desperate to set their prices to unacceptable level. I think we need to get cgtrader support's or even administration's attention to this issue. Situation will only get worse if we do nothing and only will chat in the forum.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Evidences?
I have:

cadcart (scamselling):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/miniatures/figurines/13-animal-stl-files-bulk-model-collection
Same for free on Thingiverse (published as far in 2013):
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182353
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182354
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182359
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182362
etc... https://www.thingiverse.com/YahooJAPAN/designs

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Another evidences? Just look at real author's site ( http://noktamodel.com/index.php ) author's name is Burak Yalcin.

And at this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=turkish&sort_by=sales

All this stuff is selling by multiple "authors" (such as cadcart, shurik-ryas and others) for a very long time. And CGtrader is literally flooded by this stuff.
As modeler I can say: almost all of those copies looks not like remodeled, reverce-engineered or retopo'ed but like absolutely same models stolen many years ago and downloaded from "shadow zone". For example: https://vk.com/albums-57934042 or https://vk.com/album-57934042_248226332 there are "sales", but in real isn't complicated to ask there somebody about free copy. "Companies" like 3dwax.ru and 3drings.ru are pretty "famous" between illegal stuff searchers and sellers.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

but CGT-support says like in film with Arnie: "what is your evidences?" ...I can find more. Because thanks pirates, now I don't have motivation or inspiration for designing or fir work with customers but it made a lot of free time for me ^))))))))

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

One more stolen model:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gold-mushroom-pendant

Proof? I have all project files. Because it was modeled by me. As far in year 2010. I provided to administration ZIP with this files. Let admins looks at file attributes and properties.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

P.S. I know for 100% -- it's (or "it WAS") my model. Because I know my own skills, style and modeling manners in that period (2010). And I remember for which customer I modeled it... etc.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

one more P.S.: I never published this model not because it was modeled for customer basing on some reference pictures of another mushroom. No. It's not exclusive job. It's just was boring and pretty ugly model. :) But client was fully satisfied. Looking at "About" of this seller I see: "Attention! 3D models mainly in stl formats, though are translated in 3dm a format. I do not translate files from one format to another. Attention! Some earrings without lock in a set!"... And you know why STL only? Answer is simple: models was leaked out some 3d-printing service in Moscow (probably from infamous 3dwax.ru but I don't have evidences... but I know and most of russian\moscowian jewelry designers knows about this "company")

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

One more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-ring-with-emerald-8acb1cb4-edcf-473b-805d-14061b08c54a
And the same model I seen in some "top sellers" stores. This model was also modeled by me on demand of my customer many years ago. I never published it because it was made UGLY (i don't like to place stones this way) by the will of client. And because it contains datum: 2006/28/04 (who needs others memories????)))))))) Admins needs proofs??? OK! Archive with source project attributed way older than 2017 (2010, but model was produced earlier) is on my HDD and copy is in cloud.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

And because topic about sellers selling stolen and leaked models for 3d printing is not as interesting for people on CGT, i will say pair words on my native language:

Для того, чтобы из магазина продавца shurik-ryas были удалены несколько моих моделей, понадобился целый день практически бессмысленного пинг-понга по и-мэйлу с технической поддержкой CGT. И я не уверен, что эти модели были удалены по моей просьбе, потому что ссылки на них перестали работеть только после того, как я поделился ими с одним из пользователей, котоырй официально отношения к администрации не имеет. Все остальные ссылки, которые я отправлял в хелпдеск остаются без реакции и без ответа. Выходит, что вторая в мире по величине и объёму трафика биржа 3d-моделей не настолько велика по своим деяниям. Возникают подозрения, что некоторые люди в администрации CGT как-то связаны с некоторыми нечистыми на руку продавцами-"пылесосами". Сложилось впечатление, что ситуация, когда нечистые совестью продавцы торгуют краденными, слитыми из принт-сервисов и мастерских или собранными по пиратским пабликам на вконтакте моделями, ничуть не беспокоит CGT, либо же CGT намеренно выбрал такой путь с целью иметь в обороте много тысяч моделей, с которых всё-таки можно имметь какой-то процент. С точки зрения цели получения выгоды CGT можно понять. Этически -- нет. Абсолютно непроверенные и не проверяемые никем, топ-"дизайнеры" продолжают заливать тонны несвоих моделей на площадку, подстёгивая клиентов, стремящихся получить большее за меньшие деньги или бесплатно (это нормально, это естественно, это природа человека). Меж тем, честным дизайнерам и модельерам остаётся только уяснить для самих себя: своим трудом деньги не заработаешь, за свой

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

что-то пошло не так на клавиатуре и сообщение улетело незаконченным... итак... Простым дизайнерам и модельерам, которые работают сами на себя остаётся лишь уяснить: ваш труд -- это не профессия, а хобби. С этого хобби будут иметь свою прибыль всякие шурики, кадкарты и прочие "пылесосы". И прямой контакт с такими "продавцами"-ворами обычно складывается в таком ключе: "Ну вперёд!.. А что ты сделаешь?". Практика показывает, что они и в самом деле привыкли к безнаказанности. И попытки исправить ситуацию также показывают, что в лучшую сторону ничего не изменится. Потому что нет квалифицированного содействия со стороны администрации. Модельеры для ювелирки, ЧПУ и 3д-печати издавна жаловались на неадекватность цен и затрачиваемых усилий, все эти разговоры ведутся столько, сколько я себя помню в этой индустрии, больше 15-ти лет. Но к 2019 году всё только ухудшилось. И статистика просмотров и продаж моделей это подтверждает. Ещё один смешноватый момент. Каждый раз, когда тапок правды становится на хвост таких "шуриков", они начинают канитель: "Чувак! Но ты же сам продаёшь модели известных брендов". Нет, ребята, я продаю модели, которые смоделировал своими руками. И речь идёт о продаже того материала, который модельер сделал сам. Вместе с этим также выползают всякие лицемерные наивыши, котоыре именно за это же начинают укорять. При этом сами не зудумываются, что не они тоже разработали и придумали большинство из всех этих интерьерных объектов, автомобилей и прочих моделей. Но они при этом приложили много сил и навыков, чтобы построить эти модели по нескольким референсным картинкам. Это серьёзный труд, и они его ценят, но только когда сами им занимаются. При этом они всё-таки считают, что какой-нибудь форд-фокус или айфон, сделанный ими в 3д-макс легален, а сделанный мной набор украшений, визуально повторяющий какой-нибудь картье -- это пиратство, воровство и зашквар. :)

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

И суммирую кратко: CGT не способен очиститься от краденых моделей для 3d-печати. Он не имеет нужных ресурсов, и квалификации, и, скорее всего, желания. Зато имеет процент с продаж. К сожалению, на данный момент CGT до сих пор остаётся лучшей и самой удобной площадкой для поиска, заказа, покупки и продажи 3d, то есть в других местах дела обстоят гораздо хуже.

marpro wrote 12 months ago

Ok I can absolutely understand you, not the text which is looking for me like hieroglyphs, but anyway: I could imagine that it is accepted form CGT because of one simple reason: CGT promotes itself as the biggest 3D Model Website in the World. To be the biggest Website you have to have the biggest amount of 3D Models. And who are the guys who uploaded the most models? You are right these incredible diligent "studios" which uploads thousands of models every month. But how it is possible that one Studio uploads so many models? 1. You worked for the last 20 years every day and was modeling every possible jewelry. 2. you are currently in a country where you have a "Studio" whit hundreds of "Employees" which model as fast as they can, because for every model they will get 20ct. 3. You really have some employees who download some models from some "suspicious" websites, download the preview of this model two and just upload them. Hmm, maybe there are more ways but I guess i can imagine which is the actual method. They also said that they have about 2 Million 3D Artists because they count every single Profile that means customers to, but they don't tell you that. (Search field: "Search 910 000 3D Models", with 2 Million Artist? not really!)

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

@mapro exactly.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mering-018

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/signet-ring-of-knight-with-horse-and-dragon

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-51-man-george

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-119-7d588d9e-9e71-45a7-b933-cbf0fa0810a7

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0119

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/new-fancy-ring

LemonadeCG wrote 12 months ago

This is freaking ridiculous. The same is happening with other models, just look at fancy interiors for $5 that is selling by chinese accounts - you can find same models with exactly same previous being sold by many different sellers. It's sad enough that one has to spend huge amount of personal time to gather evidence, but when CGT is closing eyes on evidence... it's just frustrating.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Yes. I seen. It's VERY frustrating. Now i'm not completely decided, but i have strong will to ask administration after this "black friday sale" to suspend all my models, because I can not compete with thieves and fake "studios". I'm not sure now... but impulsively I want to boycott CGT in nearest future... I'm sure, if somebody will ask me in future how is selling or buying models here, I will answer: "Don't worth... Better try to crawling on VK.com publics and communities or on CGpeers/CGpersia". I hope, quality modeling for printing will die as soon, because current situation and system already came to dead end of any creative process and development and shitsellers are the kings of the hill.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

After whole day all links still working. It's true evidence how CGT really 8s functioning. Never trust ex-USSR, even if it's Baltic.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/carved-plate-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/one-penny-pendant-3dm-render-detail

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/one-penny-pendant-3dm-render-detail-a252bbae-3744-46aa-973f-03a8332bfde7

Two different sellers. The same model. Not only visually but also in description: estimated weight and dimensions are the same for all 3 models.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

One smaller shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-256-b944f14d-4305-4407-87bd-12bc4849290c sells stolen model.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

...and it seems like 99% (if not 100) of models are in fact illegal.

marpro wrote 12 months ago

You are like a Thief hunter right now! ;)

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Not hunter. Just observer.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

One example how works CGT.
I needed pretty long time to prepare and to upload new item https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-rings-with-inner-ornament I finished uploading and placed the model at ca 14-00 CET. Now is 17-10 CET and view of jewelry on CGT (sorted as "Newest") shows that only few users added new models. But my model is deep in butthole (~80th). 90% of today model flood made by cadcart via "batch uploading". Me and other authors have any chance to bee seen by buyers? (Answer is NO).

Also today shitseller CadHolder1 added again same old copy of StGeorge ring (yesterday it was suspended after my reports) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/fancy-ring-dfa64f13-acff-48cf-b735-1622ba94190c

I don't know what administration is doing. Seems like they are too busy to control what users are uploading :))

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101244

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:182151

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Identical:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0474

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-thick-round-gott-mit-uns-ring

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Same identical shit from the same shitsellers (ritaflower and cadcart)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

And summarizing my last days activity I can say Thanks to CGT administration for suspending some models. But most of links still alive.
I don't want to dig all this shit deeper and to pee against the wind.
I noticed one more thing: last days I uploaded just 1 model, sold nothing ("black friday" is only for "top's"... not for dorks like me ), but gained lots of reputation points only because I played role of insane shitcrawler here on forum. I think it's absolutely wrong thing. I woul'd be much happier if I gained only half of quarter of this points not via flood but via publishing and sales. Life is life.

I can conclude that my "fight against thieves" is failed. Fraudsters on CGT (as on the rest of Internet) will win every time and forever. Amen. Thanks.

(Better I'll go to unload cars on the railway because it's easier and much better paid job).

LemonadeCG wrote 12 months ago

Unfortunatelly, fighting with thieves is very little rewarding experience. In digital world, it's much easier to steal, than to caught a thief. And even when the thieves get caught, they face no consequences. Worst that could happen to them, is closed account and lost small amount of money, accumulated during current month. Most of them immediately opens new account. Some even dares to brag about that in the forum. Solitary sellers can't do much about that. I believe that marketplaces could change the situation, if they wish, but the problem is, they don't mind the thieves. Pecunia non olet.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Exactly!

trimitek

Posted 12 months ago

This problem was neglected for far too long and reached extreme levels in the last 2-3years.
All 3D marketplaces must realize that this can no longer continue and measures should be taken now.

We may disagree on the methods, but I think we all agree this is a very serious issue which discourages all honest Artists here.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

As "starter" would be not bad premoderation of uploaded models. I know, it may be hard for CGT human resources, but it's one more reason to revise "batch upload" system. For example, author/seller may reach some "trust deal" and get some kind of "certificate" from CGT administration... I know... it's hard in terms of numbers, but it's very very very needed. But only this action may throw out illegal and bad (without needed description or with 100 repetitive views etc...) models.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

One more newcomer that needs to be inspected. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=tyraell (if not the same then very very similar stuff is numerously presented by other "authors", I posted links to this designs in this thread before)

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Example to compare: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=caria or better this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=ultra+vision&suggested=1

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Infamous shurik-ryas: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101165

Original from thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40212

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Another "masterwork" from shurik-ryas https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101218

Source: http://medelis.se/3D%20models/Medelis%203D/BabyGroot.stl (available for free download)

Anothers models from Medelis: https://medelis.se/store.html

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

At this moment none of persons who multiple times tried to sell (and sold) stolen or free models as "own" works still not punished and still uploading shit again.
For example: sorting "jewelry" every morning with sorting "newest" models I still finding every time freshly uploaded "saint george ring " models and other old stuff.

LemonadeCG wrote 12 months ago

If support staff aren't subscribed to this topic (most likely they aren't), then your post goes unnoticed. It would be much more effective to write directly to support.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

All links from this post (and more) I report also to helpdesk. And they are doing good job and deleting duplicates or illegal models. But deleting of 5-6 if models from 5000 and more have no effect on pirates. "Punishing" must be more than just deleting infringed models.

marpro

Posted 12 months ago

This whole thread makes me depressive.
It is so unfair to see that many guys who get so much money, with apparently stolen models, while you have to be happy about every single sale.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Same sh#t... And much depressive for me, when I'm digging tons of those "models" instead of working on my own designs. But if CGT moderators are too busy or too lazy for doign their job, I can't stop to help them eliminate illegal models.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

But as wrote me CGT's marketing-head: "please understand that you're competing in crowded space, so competition is high. " I'm understood him... The meaning of words "Fair competition" always was and still different for modelers/craftsmen and for sales managers.

marpro wrote 12 months ago

It is just a little bit like... Adobe: "Our sales are falling..." Expert: "..you are competing in crowded space!" All these illegal download sites: "FREE PHOTOSHOP, GET IT HEEEEERE!"

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

all it was described by Marx 150 years ago.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

The haul after today's morning coffee (already reported to administration as usually):

"Versace" gorgona clones

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/diamond-versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/277-wedding-ring

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Older (also stolen stuff, but I don't found evidences yet)
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

Set that has interfering models (from Cadholder1): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d

Were deleted/suspended after my report, but Cadholder1 uploaded it again:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-07

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-05

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-04

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-03

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-02

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-01

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-c0d82717-4aef-4b4d-9eb2-9d52dc25c133

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-9affb56b-f9c7-424a-82fa-13004b13f4fd

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-cfb2bd71-d6ba-466c-93af-308ea31bc76b

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-634ced92-190f-46ff-8a2c-893375a47adf

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-01

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-3bc7e019-205b-4ce1-998f-a440ab0c5642

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print-7d793e68-d760-43aa-a9a2-a1823ba928df

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

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ZBrush dogs/cats:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/other/dog-model-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-dog-ring

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cat-ring-3d-print-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cute-dog-ring

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"Dog face":

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-face-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-dog

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-1

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Update in addition to dog faces (and in previous links list ) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-16 Sorry for half-mistake, but if add this addition to previous list, there will be no doubts about presence of clones.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

More clones:

"templar" signet ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring

Another ring from the same collection:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/de-templo-cristi-printed-golden-thick-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0471

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Eureka!

Why CGT employees can not just input on server some SQL-query to find and filter models from different sellers that have identical attributes (file extension, checksum and file size). During my "birdwatching" i noticed lot of times that most of fraudsters are selling the same FILES with common size and extension.

(I don't pretending to anything, but it's really pretty hard: doing for free job of paid employees using only regular and buggy search tools of CGT... I'm interpreting my actions as investment to my and other fair designers better chances to be viewed and sold. But my mental health isn't rock-solid:)))))))) )

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

I had suggested the same (+ additional things) to TurboSquid support few months ago, because it's really easy to do - guess what happened?

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Yes, I guess.... ;) (but really it's more sad than funny or ironic)

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

Yes, exactly nothing happened and they even started protecting thieves and un-ban old banned thieves accounts. CGT now has a chance to prove that they are not the same. From what I have seen so far they do ban thieves.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Yes, I know about bans as result of thief-hunters work here on CGT. But none of reported "sellers" of jewelry 3d-printable models is banned yet on CGT. They still working and dumbest of them ( Cadholder1) still uploading already suspended items again. Maximum that does CGT -- just and only suspends copies and clones, not more.

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

They tend to be slow as they still don't have enough people working on this. If you had provided solid proof for 3-4 products on account it should be banned.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

I provided much more.

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

I suspect the reports info is not very well structured and organized on CGT side (if at all), so I will suggest you to gather your reports and order them to show clearly you had proof for more than 4 products per account and send that info to support. Tell us what happened after that.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

OK. Very good idea.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Example of identical file attributes (both from cadcart):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/women-pendant-3dm-render-detail-ad09be6f-65ae-4936-8cfc-f8c803b4d26c
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/cube-pendant-3dm-render-detail

The same renders, the same files: Rhino 3DM 67.6 MB

I suppose cadcart don't knows he/she sells not only scam but has duplicates in own store :))))

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08101309

They are in London but working more cynically than russians (comparing with russian Ritaflower or shurik-ryas (ok, shurik is from Donbass-dumbass and now living in Lithuania or Latvia, but it's "russian world")). HILARIOUS!!!!

marpro wrote 12 months ago

Ouhh, so this happens when two of these model stealing "Employees" steal exactly the same model, just upload it again. I am curious about what happens if there are no "real" modelers who upload stuff, do the thieves steal then their own models to upload it again?

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Mapro, "batch upload" another name is "throw, don't look" :) And more benefits for fraudsters: when they uploading suspended models again, they are gaining fresh rep.points (when model is suspended, it has no reflection on rep.points, rep.p decreases only if model is deleted, but admins don't delete, just suspends) Seems like with completely this tactics "works" Cadholder1.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Still not "solved" (copy as usually sent to tech.support)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/diamond-versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/277-wedding-ring

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

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12.12.2019
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From https://www.cgtrader.com/jewelry-cadder

From https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=cadholder1

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Still not "solved" (but were reported days ago).

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/pomegranate-ed9cb6bd-a0c8-4e66-bd05-3eb0ec64762f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pomegranate-fruit-pendant-3dm-model

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

one more clone: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-garnet

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

And I'm not tired of repeating: none of numerously compromised shitsellers (cadcart, shurik-ryas, cadholder-1, jewelry-cadder and so on) was punished.
CGtrader looks not like a legal stock but more like pirates sandbox.

LemonadeCG wrote 12 months ago

Do they remove reported assets, but leave accounts intact, or doesn't they do anything about your reports?

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Yes. They do models blocking without other consequences for sellers.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

My free model (It's even not a replica because it looks far from original, I modeled it 12-14 years ago for lazy customer): https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/spring-shaped-cheap-design-free-wedding-rings

Shitseller from Armenia sells it (as usually even preview renders were not changed): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bvlgari-diamond-ring-3b305853-f5ea-46bd-a01b-5877a7e2be7f

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

About seller: https://www.cgtrader.com/anahitman Half of feedback is negative (4 from 9) with words like "model was incomplete", "fraud seller" etc.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

I reported this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=cartier
to Cartier official.

I know that this action will affect some of my models as well. But I'm ready to remove replicas from my store (I'm making replicas, but this isn't my the most favorite activity, I like do my own designs and profit from some my designs is not worst than profit from replicas...)

trimitek wrote 12 months ago

As a related side note: Maybe the time when you will agree that licensed software check can solve a lot of the thieves and undercutting problems is not too far away ;) The price you will have to pay for the software you use will be compensated by the diminished unfair competition.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

at least for my segment (3d printable jewelry) or whole 3d print segment - no.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Copies:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-3d-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-spider

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Copy https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/piano-ring-82

Earlier model from other author:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/piano-ring-a4d66a26-a234-4b82-a715-e8fac483c263

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/emerald-filigree-ring

Earlier model in another store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-1

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Clone: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/cufflinks/cartier-chain

Earlier model from other "author" (but this is 100% also stolen): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/beautiful-mens-bracelet

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/lion-head-pendant-fa78a22d-766d-4865-8267-b16e34407316

In description just 1 stl file and 2 pictures with completely different items. This is scam-model.
(90% of printable lions heads on CGT have suspicious origins)

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Two shitsellers... cadcart and dsakaria 16

https://www.cgtrader.com/cadcart
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/64-gents-male-engagement-wedding-ring-bulk-collection

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Same model, same seller, but techically different views on the render and different files attributes. It's example of all dumbness of "Batch upload" system.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gold-ring-f9c2eb26-ea53-49e7-b1d5-f28b138aac74

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gold-ring-blue-stone

I'm ABSOLUTELY sure: micheldogary-1 is fraudster. And sooner or later I'll find the evidences.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

...and he resumed upload flood... last few days batchfuckers had pause and it reflected very positively on the sales of other users. But since flooders resumed batch bombing, I can say: until they still uploading hundreds of model waste, we will face with new sales falling.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

Gotcha!!! "First swallow" for micheldogary-1 (and unpunished bastard shurik-ryas):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr19
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-f6c678dd-f498-47d2-827a-604ef0d79856

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

https://agjewellers.com/product/vjr019/

marpro wrote 12 months ago

Congratulation! Hope you don't need to find more... At this point, this thread is like a mini-story of you searching weak spots of the nemesis of the 3d seller community! :D Skapricorn vs Michaeldogary-1 ... shurik-ryas ... and the other "minions". I hope that one day all of these Villains are defeated and banned so they never come back... *probably not but anyway.

skapricorn wrote 12 months ago

Mapro, until "batch" loading is used by shitsellers and until tech.support deletes only reported models without any other actions, this mindless hunt will never be successful.

skapricorn

Posted 12 months ago

More clones for the Clones God:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0101

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gott-mit-uns-god-with-us

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

I got message from administration team. They said they banned one fraudster because they found lots of stolen models in his store. I don't understood who it was. Perhaps it was some small shitseller. Big fishes (cadcart, shurik-ryas, jewelry-cadder etc. are still untouchable, but I hope, justice will hit them sooner or later)

Anyway it's very significant event for 3d-print model sellers community.

marpro wrote 11 months ago

Finally a success, a small success but a success!

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

It was creatorworld. Not the biggest pirate, but he was very visible.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Aren't those Jizzies the same (difference only in small details. And another notice: first picture in anush555's model description shows absolutely another cross than is shown on the others)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/cross-pendant-84

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-cross-5d0866db-299f-4ae5-bc22-8be5e79ca2f6

marpro wrote 11 months ago

Yeah, the first picture is a different one, besides that, they are pretty much the same. But I think on the 3$ Pendant they sculpt a little more hair on the Cross itself.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

I think none of this "Authors" don't sculpted anything :) Yes, difference in background on the cross and may be in hair detailing is obvious. And if we can assign Jizzy-head as primitive object (like a sphere or a box) then those models are different... but wait a minute... overall composition, the font for INRI letters is also the same. uhmmmm (here must be placed meme with Philosoraptor))))))))))))

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

I remember the base mesh of this dragon floating on internet at least since 2003-2004. Perhaps, to be the "author" just adding of some hilarious celtic bail or ring shank needed.

marpro wrote 11 months ago

This is just ridiculous! So many guys are taking this piece and sell it?! Insane.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Every 3d-printer operator or CNC machinist have this dragon (or at least had or seen before) for almost 15 years (if not older). It was one of first popular pirated STL that people liked to use for demonstration of 3d-printer abilities (like Wanhao uses today pirated St.George signet for advertising)))))))

LemonadeCG wrote 11 months ago

This is crazy. I used to bring my own models to local 3D-print shop for printing. I never asked if they delete the models after print - i thought goes without question, but now, i'm not so sure anymore.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Lemonade, I don't know how honest are print-shops worldwide, but in ex-USSR printing model within your workshop is always "hazardous" :) I knew lots of unsecure print shops in Moscow and just few companies that are working honestly.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

And there is lots of social reasons that provokes employees to steal.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

More lions. Some of them may be slightly different, but here is repetitive stuff (check is needed):

In this pack placed one of the heads from the rest list: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/lion-heads-50-pcs-pack

marpro wrote 11 months ago

Each, and every list, makes me angrier. And I don't even sell jewelry, so it doesn't affect me that much, but this is brazen.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

I don't know. Maybe this catastrophic situation is only in jewelry segment... but I have doubts... If one segment is rotten, then all market is hopelessly sick.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

But honestly, when I'm searching CGT for clones, I don't check only in "Jewelry" but in whole 3d-print segment. And results of hunt are mostly in jewelry (sometimes shitsellers trying to hide models in "fashion" or "art" categories)

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Wow! Seems like fraudster named "cadholder-1" is also banned by administration. Thanks, CGTrader!!! It's very important!

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Same item (same look and file attributes), same seller (ol' "good" Ritaflower) but for now support says that repetitive items is allowed to publication.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-s-golden-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-113e6c12-1b51-45d6-9e51-021aa79560f1

marpro wrote 11 months ago

Does that mean, that I could upload the same model over and over again? For instance, I could upload a ... DragonBall Figure lets say 100 times, so CGTrader must show at least one of it because they are so many? And when i upload each with just one picture, but this picture is with a different material and point of view i would flood the market and nobody would do something against it? Shocking!

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Mapro, I asked the same :) And I got answer: no, we will leave only two of them :) But support also said that forwarded links to this models to investigation team for detailed review. I think, if investigators will conclude mathematical identity of the mesh, at least one of this items will be deleted.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

I think if you (or me) will upload the same model with only 1 preview pic (but with different views and/or materials on render), it can be here for years (until sick psycho like me not reported it) :)))))

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Again about micheldogary-1 who floods on CGT with hundreds uploads of stolen stuff weekly. I needed feel the shame when I first time called him SHITSELLER? Really???
Compare two fraudsters (dogary and shryas). Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-0d16b7e9-fc76-480f-a628-d1ffddd1207a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr92-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-ffbe5a64-729f-4ffe-97c1-107f4b59ad87
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ribbon-bow-shape-ring-with-diamonds-vjr41-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-a41ad922-472c-42d2-8be6-69fcc8d3a672
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-with-diamonds-vjr25-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-deb2b24b-1927-4200-a24c-c8874148b836
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr28-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-d125923f-589b-4c1c-8a53-f11ede61984a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr20

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-6261f612-4902-49de-9ae9-ac8ff8687c7f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr18

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-e37bb698-c362-4bda-8e80-76fa1ecd8c82
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr17

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-5cf481d7-060e-44bc-8186-d3dda98e4b73
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/detailed-ring-vjr13

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-92a0f933-76e1-4584-b10d-109b5f09bd84
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-vjr10

Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

It's result of JUST 10 MINUTE SEARCHING AND COMPAIRING. And it's just start, if I had more time, I can found more. Without administrator tools, without SQL queries and other sht... What are doing guys from support-team and CGT-"investigators" during working time? Just suspending reported links except "oldest model"????

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Sorry for my emotional words. But I'm sure -- when designer or customer sees on the main page CGTRADER.COM list of "top designers" and on this top is placed THIEF who has NO ONE "legal" model (micheldogary) or cadcart (that is older than dogary, but also sell stolen stuff) (dont want to touch poops called shurik-ryas and jewelry-cadder)... WHAT THINKS CUSTOMER OR DESIGNER??? It's normal place or side-office of cgpeers/cgpersia??? It's really the biggest and the best 3d-model stock/marketplace today???

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

1st breaking news: micheldogary-1 is BANNED.

Second: I sent yesterday list of the links to compare models in micheldogary and shurik-ryas stores.

The same collection is on sale in jewelry-cadder store (here is just few items. In the j-cadder's store placed more, but I think it's job for official CGT investigators).

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/large-umbrella-shaped-silver-ring-with-diamonds-2
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/large-umbrella-shaped-silver-ring-with-diamonds-1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/large-umbrella-shaped-silver-ring-with-diamonds
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dome-shaped-halo-silver-ring-with-diamonds
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/wedding?author=jewelry-cadder&page=43&sort_by=newest

marpro wrote 11 months ago

Is he really banned? His Profile is still online, and he is still 1# of the Top Designers. Oh, and he has exactly 61000 Reputation Points with a Rank of a LEGEND...

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Mapro. Now I see, he is alive but without any content. For the start it's not bad. But I'm afraid, he will start batch bombing again and it will (again) be negatively reflected on views (and sales) of other designers.

LemonadeCG wrote 11 months ago

The account was not banned, but all his models are suspended, probably under investigation. Not a victory yet, but a major step towards it. Good work, skapricorn! Good and hard work.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Another example (comparing shryas and cadcart). Dunno' is it reason for opening new support-ticket or not. Yes, I know, those rings can model every junior 3d-modeler and it demands not more than 5 minutes. But I suppose, it's not different items, but the same (some text is different), and if shapes will be compared, deviation would be in model tolerance values.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Also in jewelry-cadder store I found items that I seen yesterday in another stores. Evidences is coming soon.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Both sellers selling identical models.
Here is just a few links. Wouldn't be bad if CGT team compared both sellers stores (grivajewel and jewelry-cadder). Also perhaps those models are selling by others (who have suspiciously big amount of models)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/woman-diamond-ring-cc0dda15-a465-4d2d-af9f-0e17d51941f2
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/triangle-shaped-silver-thin-ring-with-gem-1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/triangle-shaped-silver-thin-ring-with-gem
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/woman-diamond-ring-b2b04bf2-4221-48c0-b0b9-7ca23383f2ab
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/star-shaped-thin-silver-ring-with-gem
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/woman-diamond-ring-18d0f383-668f-4ab9-b6eb-b7531bc8b3c5
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/woman-diamond-ring-b7887a00-2844-431c-9514-929cb09dc51d
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/octagon-shaped-silver-thin-ring-with-gem

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

One of "infamous" lions appeared in one typically armenian shop again:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-lion-135

Example of "typically armenian" is here: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=anush555
Or here: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
... on CGtrader lives bunch of them. :) (Without any doubts they are extremely talented people)

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Clones:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101219

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/miniatures/figurines/gnome-leprechaun

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Clones (boring...)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-881ee9d2-41de-482a-ad07-529e63b87ebc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-snake-10362

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Bunch of very similar models:

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Clones or slightly retouched copies.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/medusa-head

The same head is in this set: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/versace-pendants-9a5a2f6a-9177-48db-9380-5e5d4b417512

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/versace-pendant-e4b49395-e9d6-447d-8faf-2d69186fe7a6
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/gold-versace-for-ring-pendent-bracelet-earing-3d

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

The very FAT one:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-008-gold

this model is from standard Jewelcad Pro 2.2.3 (and from earlier versions too) bundle database

and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-heart

and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-ripplea

and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-heart

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-clasps

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-005-bracelet

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-snaps

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-clips

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-rhk0050

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/jewelry-025

There is much more. I don't see any sense to dig it deeper. Seller with more than 100000 models is suspicious "a priori".

I found and downloaded one of Jewelcad versions (forgive me god))))))) specially to use it for comparing.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

OH! Forgot the link to "antihero". More than 100000 (HUNDERED THOUSANDS) models priced cheaper than burger.

https://www.cgtrader.com/futao

May be I'm wrong???

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

New little hero of the day:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-142-742b2860-a66f-40d1-b209-f44da63fd89f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/catier-panther-diamond-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/berlin-ring

And this:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/86-lion-tiger-pantere-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/tiger-catier-jewelry

marpro wrote 11 months ago

The usernames of these guys are kind of funny... "Something with jewelry... ouh its already used..... guess a number after it would be fine!"

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=marytonoyan13t

no single view of model nor rendered picture in whole store. Don't want to say about "fraudulency" of this user (he even not gave enough info in description).

Can I also publish photos of cheap jewelry from cheap catalogues as only previews of my models?

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Good news from support about placing photos from catalogues instead of model views and renders:

=============================
Justinas (CGTrader)

Dec 19, 16:51 EET
Hello there,

Thank you for contacting us.

We reviewed these models and everything seems to be in place.

Kindly,

Justinas
=====================

So I think it's good idea if I remove all previews from my models and place instead it googled memes.
"Profit!" as said Cartman.

LemonadeCG wrote 11 months ago

Don't worry, the seller with fake previews will only hurts himself. It's less likely that serious customers would buy the models with dubious previews and no description. It's also should be very easy to ask and get refund if the model significantly differs from the previews. My suggestion, try to focus on providing the best service for your own customers and worry less about shitty sellers, unless they show clear signs of selling illegally aquired assets.

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Oh! I don't worrying. Just trollin' a lil' :)))

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

My customers are completely satisfied and grateful. Providing aftersales service for me is standard (at least because I'm selling models I made by myself, not by "big team of designers that are able to produce up to 200 models daily") :-D

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Shitseller AminDaJeweler (but copies are also mostly from frauders like shryas, ritaflower, jewelry-cadder etc.):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-diamond-pendant
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-mascot
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/household/other/key-pendent
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-pendant-n1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/two-side-key-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-p043

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/islamic-allah-pendant
Copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/mosque-crescent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/horse-bracelet
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/tj-11-gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/02-hourse-bangle

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/hers-and-his-ring
Copy:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-woman

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panthera-diamong-cartier-ring
Copy:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panthera-ring-cartier-3d-print-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-dd436a77-b7f2-4445-8384-bda0e3936276
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101041
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gold-nefertiti-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/egyptian-nefertiti-gold-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-ring-dbe5823d-e52a-420c-8d5a-87eb3747b5a5
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pantera-ring-cartier-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-panthere-6-option-plus-the-original-171

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

But I think, just 7 items is NOT a reason to ban "author" :D

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

Respect to administration. Amindajeweler is banned.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Repeating (CGT-wide) model:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/body-ring (and whole 3d-print models store of this user looks like a bunch of stolen stuff)

Other: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/carerra-y-carerra-couple-wedding-rings
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-woman
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-couple-hugging-0220
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/hers-and-his-ring

Some of links are from previous posts and still alive (perhaps because it's weekend and admins are sleeping).

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Stolen model:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/jesus-head-097bd046-f7be-4c99-832e-16e27ac82afb

Older modeel (perhaps original) from Clayguy:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-head-2-versions

Also from this "author" (https://www.cgtrader.com/hovvv) reported 2 copies of cartier's rings (were numerously suspended in other stores during last days)

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Pretty original method of fraud: no model views from any point but few worst photos and photoshoped pictures. No info about any model.

Misleading model description (which photo shows model?) Or it's so advanced hyper-real renders made by very talented visualisator? Or models looking so bad? Or each item contains two different models?

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-61760b70-374b-44ea-88d5-603632653eb0

Another examples:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-a3cf2860-ea4a-4b52-adc3-7cbccb16f0dc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-81a61c15-52b9-4140-ab14-b45d12accbbc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-66809215-9dc0-438d-8321-a2c4f3a08bec
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-2ae20dbb-5bdb-4964-9f3c-1222b7c2aec0
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-aee46c50-ba45-4525-9b9a-55077d0c9515
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-e4e1deb1-fe68-4ec3-baee-6d725aeedfc3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-42fa3a38-43c2-4ca1-b20d-fb6fd8aee35c

And so further.

I already reported this seller to administration but they said: "All is right with this models". I don't understand the logic of admins. They don't cares about CGT reputation as 3d-marketplace?

marpro wrote 11 months ago

the first one makes me laugh!

skapricorn wrote 11 months ago

User is suspended. Thanks, CGT.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Fresh copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/full-capital-latter-abcd-diamond-pendants-3d-model-print

Earlier model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/full-capital-latter-set-abcd-3d-model-print

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Is this misleading or not?
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/star-fancy-diamond-pendant

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mickey-mouse-diamond-pendants-3d-model-print

Earlier: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/happy-mickey-necklace-pendants-654581d7-d9eb-45bc-a7e4-0bbe9e8d2363

(both sellers are suspicious... at least I already noticed it few times about grivajewel)

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

New blockbuster "Unsuspendable cats":

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-ring-328

Earlier model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gold-metal-rings-201

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Last days this stuff was suspended in the same store https://www.cgtrader.com/hovvv ...and appeared again :))))

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-ring-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-ring-big-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-heard-3d-print-model

(Here is link to an original model from Clayguy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-head-2-versions )

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

About jewelry-cadder: today i spent some time to dig into https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=jewelry-cadder and wasn't surprised when found tons of models that were suspended in another fraudulent shops.

For example, bunch of items are the same as in ritaflower shop, etc... I don't had enough patience to make big list. I just reported model by model to support. Circa dozen links just after fast scrolling and I inspected less than third of jewelry-cadder's shop.

https://youtu.be/d4okxow8bNo?t=122

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Jcadder: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-thin-text-ring-1
Ritaflower: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-998

jcadder: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/white-gold-thin-text-ring
ritaflower: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-997

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

jcadder: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/heart-design-pendant-with-emerald-1
shryas: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-with-diamond-p-1816

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Happy "new" bear:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bear-ring-3d-print-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/agreesive-bear-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0103

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bear-ring--3

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Astrologers proclaim the week of Octopus.

fresh:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/octopus-ring-5dc024f6-07de-437c-aa05-d2d3c2e93f38

previous:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/unisex-octopus-ring-in-mate-gold-14k
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/octopus-ring-tribal
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/miniatures/figurines/octopus-009

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

Freshly uploaded copies of numerously present on CGT models.
Most of this models was suspended many times on CGT:

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

New store of "armenian generics" https://www.cgtrader.com/alexsandr22
Link sent to support. But without "prooflinks" to earlier copies. Because "cartier's" are regularly cleaned away from CGT and because last weeks I reported those copies many times.

I'm pretty tired of searching something using buggy CGT user interface, saying after each pair pages "I'm not a robot", and starting searching again because after "INR" "3d-print" attribute in search string disappears... and so further... So if admins needs "solid proofs", let new shitcopyseller still alive and healthy. May be he will upload in future more brilliant items and became new sweet jewelry-cadder, cadcart or shurik :) Pretty profitable way for CGT (number of models, traffic etc).

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bull-head-ring-ba7c4142-5ed8-494f-a4c5-003b53c8b4a3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bull-men-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bull-ring-b0c32446-0373-48a6-b17e-6e7eaeb3d74d
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-10307

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/alexsandr22

Each of those models was many times suspended on CGT in many "designers" stores.

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

skapricorn

Posted 11 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/tomasnikos

Store contains a lot of previously deleted from CGTrader models (from "famous" stores of shurik-ryas, cadcart, ritaflower etc...) But I noticed that many models are dated as 2015.
At least in this store I found again my old models of mushroom and "2006" ring.

For example here is bunch of links to some models that were suspended in another stores or that are still present in other stores.

And I don't seen this seller before (probably because lots of items were published not in "jewelry" section)
Account looks inactive since 2018, but still selling passively.

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

2017 ritaflower: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-15

2016 goldenberg https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/lion-pendant--2

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

+2017 shurik-ryas: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101208

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

+2018 jewelry-cadder https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/lion-face-shaped-pendant

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

freshly uploaded: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/high-quality-versace-medusa-and-lion-printable-model

head is from here (but after automatic mesh reducing): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/tj-19-gold-versace-for-ring-pendent-bracelet-earing-3d-print-mod

lion head is from this models: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/king-lion-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/lion-ring-e3b56b78-4f85-49e7-82fa-5ea10d302e8d
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/diamond-king-lion-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/lion-ring-212d60cd-977a-44db-8ec7-138410ddf652

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

2019: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/versace-medusa-pendant-4e3b3331-679a-4e1e-a4ff-c63dc7ae5e8a

2017: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/185-medusa

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

This ring was on internet before the internet was born:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-147-d36a322d-1baa-4b61-8663-1aca2616ef6f

older copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-10328

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

My old kitschy spider (few times suspended on CGT in different stores): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/madison-ring :))) I'm sure nobody wants this model (it's too ugly), it's why I never published it.

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

I'm wrong. It's not clearly "my". It's based on my "spider"-ring (and may be combined from the few "work-in-progress" subversions) Anyway, here is the copy (probably there is non essential difference, but it still look like the same model but slightly changed): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-spider And another one, but here seller at least done some job about remodeling the spider, adding bevels/fillets etc. so I can say it's another model just looking similar to previous: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/signet-ring-spider-on-the-web

the-nikiforov

Posted 10 months ago

Hello!
Here is another "smartest"
https://www.cgtrader.com/lxj
theft -
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/other/modern-jewelry-ornaments-combination
my -
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/other/decorative-set-vol2

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

Рекомендую отправить ссылки в техподдержку. (По крайней мере, всё что я публикую в этом топике, я также отправляю в суппорт. Помогают.)

the-nikiforov wrote 10 months ago

tell me where to write .. thanks

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

Azure "Help" button on the side of the screen.

the-nikiforov wrote 10 months ago

thanks

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

1. The same "pantera" as was many times suspended on CGT

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pantera-ring-3d-print-model-2d81efe3-95c5-4665-93cc-ca6a21fbbd3b

2. Jesus for this ring https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/jesus-ring-3d-print-model is from this model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-head-2-versions

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

Earlier: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-panther-in-cartier-style

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-panther-in-cartier-style

2018: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-1add5574-0ea1-4a16-b672-b1985bf9df50
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panthera-ring-81d86499-c97f-4a5b-9d1e-2842ed3811a0

2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pantera-ring--2

From 2015: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/puma-ring

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

fresh: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-medusa-pentant

older one: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/185-medusa

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

Banned "anush555" returned as "anush5555" with the same "gray" models https://www.cgtrader.com/anush5555

the-nikiforov

Posted 10 months ago

here is "another smartest"
do you know this?))
https://www.cgtrader.com/matveev-valentin

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

Items https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-ring-31141783-e914-4e69-9829-4ab5fc2a6b6a and https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-band-ring

Was used this medusa published earlier (from another seller): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/185-medusa
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/367-versace-ring-for-men

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

New user (?) sells the same pirated models as many other before: 'panthera's', "cartier's", "bulgari's", ligher ring etc.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=alexsandr22&sort_by=oldest

ultra-in-order

Posted 10 months ago

not much we can do except the reporting Fraudsters day and night, other than that it would be in vain

skapricorn wrote 10 months ago

You're right.

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

Fresh: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/heart-ring-b67b2ab5-087e-41c5-97c8-f98cc95cc99c

Older: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/white-gold-claddagh-ring
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Known "suspicious" item: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/love-cartier-bracelet-551c49f1-7aa4-43e2-9c07-6d3e72fcb55b

Other very similar: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/chinese-turtle-statue (with rotated bolt heads)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/bracelet-fcf7850b-6746-47fd-a9d4-c73453e687b2

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/cartier-love-complect-3d-print-model
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Another fresh item: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-5c54903b-cab9-43ab-9f45-330debed12aa

The same panther ring: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/puma-ring

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One more model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-garnet

The same: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/pomegranate-ed9cb6bd-a0c8-4e66-bd05-3eb0ec64762f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gratat-pandant

....the whole shop of anahitman contains lots of different models that were seen many times on CGT. The user reviews are talking enough about the quality of models and service.

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

New genius is selling thingiverse free scrap: https://www.cgtrader.com/hamid1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/iranazaditower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:815853

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/guitar-a5d90ba5-f5ab-40d3-8d0d-35da28e0eb11 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:114714

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/miladtower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:351329

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/games-toys/toys/toyconcretemixertruck is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2389770

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/other/eifel is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:15451

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/violin-d6cbf80f-b852-4215-928b-ce1f9d6a67a3 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:515900

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/motorcycle/motorcycle-a3aceb5d-f061-4e91-97b8-7044f407e947 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40687

And so further. I have no time to compare the rest of this sellers items, but I can suppose whole store is illegal.

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/jewlring

User need to be compared with old known scam-sellers.

At least those models were sold by different sellers and some of those models are periodically suspended by CGT administration:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/16-25ring-bow
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/123-35-ring-with-a-beautiful-dog
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/140-20-with-the-star-of-a-mans-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/149-38-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/153-20-star-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/154-10-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/13-45female-ring-pantera
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/7-30-spartak-maskva-ring

skapricorn

Posted 10 months ago

Newest: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-love-67e02d61-746e-4950-889c-08591b5cb543

and https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/rings-5fde94bb-c981-41cb-9228-d66bb74907b2

older: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-10328

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

Looks like duplicated:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/carrera-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/carrera-wedding-ring
at least number of gems, prongs placement and humans on the top are the same.

Another duplicated item:
newer: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/man-woman-ring-10debf9d-b478-4708-9a62-5c638dff3132
Older: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-woman

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

Store of fakes and copies: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=anabeljewelry

Old good panthers and carrera's couples:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-7270a854-4200-4ee1-b2d8-25fc89920a23
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-284cf85d-2bcb-4309-8f72-2c2690d92f66
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-7e1f3388-31b0-4867-9a21-b30eb56ec416
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-ring-fc2a20af-1282-41d2-8f2a-b4887925e3bf
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/women-ring-ab78a05e-560e-4bd5-977a-1ecda4d26d58
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/rings-5fde94bb-c981-41cb-9228-d66bb74907b2
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/love-bracelet-4a8ac0ce-0387-462e-b87b-299fdb7f6812
etc.

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

Fresh panther tamer: https://www.cgtrader.com/tito9

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

This user (Anna-Anush-Anait) is stronger than herpes virus. She is coming every time after be banned with the same illegal models again and again.

https://www.cgtrader.com/manukyan-anait97

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

2018: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/724-diamond-horse-ring
2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

2020: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-bracelets-jewelry-3d-3d-finger-ring-3d-gold-rings-8e763672-a013-4479-8d29-cf88ed28a62a
2019: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/1970-huge-cartier-gold-panther-ring

...don't speaking about the fact this cats head is routinely suspended on CGtrader and was suspended billion times before.

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

2020: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/2302-horse-family-mother-and-baby-set-bangle-and-ring

2017: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring-3d-print-model

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

I knew since start that user "TRANTUANJEWELRY" is thief. But here is fresh thief called kakom3002

Trantuan 2019: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/1793-neptune-ring
kakom3002 2020: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-finger-ring-abc83c33-e288-449e-97d0-d11b4fa42e0c

Trantuan 2020-02-08 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2249-diamond-dragon-claw-ring
kakom3002 2020-02-20: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/the-dragon-claw-ring

Trantuan: 2020-02-08: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2257-diamond-ring-for-men
kakom3002 2020-02-19: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-gold-rings-4bd3082c-aca8-4652-96c6-69237e350333

etc. I have no time (and I'm not a worker of CGtrader company) to dig deeper into both stores, but there visually is lots of identical models. I hope i'll had time on some other day to found evidences about trantuan, but kikom3002 is definitely evidenced fraudster.

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/bahimans1

Fresh newcomer is selling "Noktamodel" stuff as many others before.

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/cadcreatore

Also "noktamodel" jewelry as seen many times in other sellers stores

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/nguyenneo69

has a lot of interfering models with user "trantuanjewelry"

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

User selling the default elements from the Rhinogold software.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pack-of-28-bails-with-stl-and-3dms-files

Proof: http://help.tdmsolutions.com/rhinogold/5.5/en/index.html?Bail.html

If anybody needs stronger evidences, I can install pirated RhinoGold and extract from it any of this bails in couple of mouse clicks.

skapricorn wrote 9 months ago

Answer from support team: "Hi there, Our 3D team checked your link and advised that the models uploaded in Rhino software are more like a model creation tool, rather than models in a marketplace, it's quite difficult to decide on how these parameters can be manipulated. From what the 3D saw when checking the models, they have certain differences and there is a possibility that the seller has created the forms himself. For now, we wouldn't be able to remove the model from the marketplace. Thank you for understanding.".............. Not necessary to say "thank you" because i have no understanding.

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-fd1e762a-c009-49e2-b631-218f831b5ec5

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-eacb5c9f-7aee-4573-b0af-930aa5e81ac4
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/panther-ad6bbf21-0c0a-4867-ad61-4b934d2b7eda

Is it the panthers that are periodically suspended on CGT or original ones? It's question not for support but for CGT's "investigation team".

...and I don't tried yet to search over internet another models (figurines and cars) presented in store of "paydi"

skapricorn

Posted 9 months ago

Scam/fraud/thievery https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/diamond-solitaire-rings

Proof: https://3dwax.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/3DWAX.pdf

Thief stole stuff from thieves. I guess shitty heritage of 3dwax.ru will spoil 3d-markets for many many years...

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2295-diamond-horse-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2302-set-diamond-bangle-and-ring-horse

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/horse-ring-c2a7a508-b141-4044-9064-cfffec195639

Older models:
2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse

2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring

=================================================
Request to CGT support was sent.

And I know they will suspend "newer models" again without any serious consequences for scamsellers.
Couple weeks ago I noticed CGT support about the fact that https://www.cgtrader.com/nguyenhuunhansea has lots of iterferring items with trantuan. Also I reported this horses (or copies) before. Without any effect. About nguen support replied their standard bullshit like "show us examples". But sorry, guys and ladies, are you working only for monthly salary? Why I must to dig this shit comparing hundreds and thousands models for done job that must be done by support or by mythic "investigation team" (I don't believe this team exists)..? I don't want to be polite. And I'll not apologize, because people not doing things that they MUST to do because it's their PAID JOB are doing nothing.

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Fresh couple of "panthere" from trantuan:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/52-diamond-panther-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/20-panther-ring

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Different sellers, different models, but the same medusa head element:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-medusa-diamond-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/185-medusa

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Same user, same item, two different prices.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/necklaces-67b2fe08-06bc-4850-967a-f76d129a670f

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/angel-medal

Very similar model from another user: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-with-stones

Another notice: on the roza-jewelry's pictures angel on the first photo isn't the same as on the further renders and screenshots in the same description.

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Tiger? Panther? Lion? Cat? Bobcat? Lynx? Puma? Leopard? Jaguar? Serval? Caracal? Ocelot?...
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-tiger-diamond-ring-tiger-gift-ring

trimitek wrote 8 months ago

Posted 10min ago .. model already gone .. =]

skapricorn wrote 8 months ago

Yep, support is working today fast like Flash.

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

One more typical armenian shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22

I don't reported nothing this time to support team.
And I hope it's my last post in this thread (thread I started... hehehehe).

Summary: few fraudsters was suspended (some of them came to CGT again under new nicknames), lots of models was suspended. Sometimes I had illusion about effectiveness of this "fight". But now, looking at statistics, i want to say:

with so PASSIVE administration, that cares only about reaching more models to their marketplace and don't cares about model quality, content quality, legality etc..., attempts to fight against fraudsters, scammers and pirates are worthless. Suspending models one by one is like trying to heal cancer with aspirin.

I wasted too much time trying to "find evidences". I had to spend this time to creative or more useful things or jobs, but... Hope died.

Last days I see again new uploads of different "authors" that are looking like I already seen that shit many times here on CGT. May be it's just my "deformation of mind" (but I don't think so).

Hope died. Pirates won.

...And fuck the "fair play". CGtrader this days is just buggy trashyard with everyday technical issues and without any hope to survive selling models.

Good luck.

LemonadeCG wrote 8 months ago

It's sad, but true, fight with thieves on cgtrader, feels like Don Quixote's fight against windmills :[

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

This days CGT published the article with pink oinks about "WE REACHED 1M MODELS!!!", with brilliant infographics etc.

So what we see there: jewelry models shares almost 20% of all CGT models. How and why? Is 3d printable jewelry so popular?
And how CGT reached those numbers for this fake statistic? How many copies and clones are present among all published models? And administrations does nothing to find clones, fakes, scam. But dumb marketing employees are sending spam trying to promote stupid SALE OFF (WWWEEEEEE!!!! HOORRRRRRRAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!) And this infographics and published statistics worths NOTHING. It's just meaningless pictures intended for fake business presentation to "investors", "partners" and "shareholders".

For example: today on the top of the "Top designers" in last 7 days became TOMASNIKOS (about +9K of reputation during last week due to 476 uploaded models in last 7 days). "Top" status was reached only due to NUMBER of uploaded models (with the lack of information etc...)

What I see looking to tomasnikos store? https://www.cgtrader.com/tomasnikos
The same old familiar shit, the same heap of models that were suspended many times in other stores (shurik-ryas, ritaflover, numerous armenian "designers" ets). Some of the models are in High-Poly category, some of other items placed in Jewelry category... OK. Going further, opening this set: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/500-stl-files-ready-for-print On the screenshots are shown some item codes. Let's googling by these codes. Result: british online store called https://www.angelicdiamonds.com/ whole collection. ETC.

Again. I don't want to piss in the wind and report this "Top Designer" to administration. I'm sure, admins and supports are not blind. If they are not completely retarded or blind, they MUST to see what this is: repeats, copies, familiar stuff... And they are doing NOTHING until somebody don't reported those shit officially and don't provided "evidences".

One fair designer in private conversation said very right words: "I'm glad that i never got interested in jewelry design and modelling - seeing that 1/5th of the marketplace is concentrated in hands of dozen sellers with questionable reputation, would make me want to cry." All I can add to this: not 1/5th of the market place, but significantly more in the fact. Who is the SUPERHERO? Answer FUTAO. What offers FUTAO? The same shit: 100K of useless low quality JCAD/JCD models of jewelry priced lower than pint of the beer... So 10% from 1M of all published models "belongs" to just ONE person. Competitive? Overcrowded market? :))))

My recommendation to other authors/designers/sellers: don't trust in CGT statistics because it worth not more than all modern "fake news" like RussiaToday or FOX channel :))))))

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Another hero of the week: https://www.cgtrader.com/atjanur22
Reported to administration MANY TIMES. Feels strong and healthy with all hilarious fakes and copies. +4500 reputation due to 240 uploads in the last week. What's this content? The same traditional range of "armenian" jewelry: panthers, tiffanies, nails etc... Some of thumbnails looks very very familiar (for example "Spartak" ring were placed befor in "anush" and her clones stores).

Also: not reported to administration. I don't want to report it. Because result will be NOTHING.

skapricorn

Posted 8 months ago

Smart as fuck huhnnguen was repprted few times. Administration is done NOTHING. And as result this skunk is bombing and bombing CGT with cheap copies. But this is a cheap copy of FREE model:
Uploaded by cuntnghuyen: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-bracelets-jewelry-3d-3d-finger-ring-ced285ae-ddd1-4541-ad2e-621409c7e217

Free original model (original, because it was modeled by me from reference photos and sketches made on toolet paper: https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/spring-shaped-cheap-design-free-wedding-rings

skapricorn

Posted 7 months ago

Two "different" sellers. Uploaded in the same moment the same model withe the same identical pictures and copy-pasted description (ticket is already sent to support)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/heart-bracelet-46b43fd9-6f66-464e-8f44-1a7f861ea035
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/heart-bracelet-7ac2e7ac-cd76-4fcc-84d4-9e83f0f2a772

Notice: both of sellers are fraudsters (or it's the same person with two different accounts on CGT???)

skapricorn

Posted 7 months ago

Two "different" stores for comparing:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=HZ-NilooM
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=roza-jewelry

skapricorn

Posted 7 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cow-ring
and in the same moment uploaded another copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cow-ring-b7468099-0016-47a9-900f-773a11ffec90

And both of copies are pirated (the same bull as on shurik-ryas avatar and the same item were many times suspended on CGT)

And another item copies uploaded in the same moment by the same seller(s):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/belt-ring-079e643b-99aa-4ed9-9360-1822a19e8ced

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/belt-ring-5def963c-331b-48cd-a80b-a2d43026d21d

skapricorn

Posted 7 months ago

Summary for today (21/05/2020): HZniloom and roza-jewelry both reported to CGT support with THREE cases of synchronous uploading of the same pirated models. Also both stores were reported because there placed lots of identical models. CGT support team still silent and take no action (first report was sent today's early morning...) ...so the strategy of CGtraqder's team is very clear: they don't fighting against piracy but only takes fake actions around foggy "laws" like suspending "weapons" and taking similar decorative steps.

LemonadeCG wrote 7 months ago

Give them some time - the support can't blindly trust every report and remove assets without investigation. If eveidence are as clear as you described, i'm sure it wont take long before fraudsters will be punished.

LemonadeCG wrote 7 months ago

Also, before bashing cgtrader support, next time try to report some stolen item on another marketplace - i'm pretty sure you'll soon be convinced that cgtrader actually doing pretty decent job at fighting the thieves. Others doing it much worse and some does absolutely nothing.

skapricorn wrote 7 months ago

I got reply on one ticket and notification about merging of other tickets. None of fraudsters was harmed. Just first pair of models was deleted. I'm not dealing with another marketplaces. And I'm talking about situation on CGT. It's pretty bad comparison like "try to do the same in another place"). I don't care about how the support works on TS...

john-monne wrote 6 months ago

Skapricorn, thank you for catching these fraudsters. I was in the process of buying there and today discovered the vendor had didssapeared. Another user was so friendly to explain it all to me and guided me here. To make the story shorter, where can i find the vendor(s) of the stolen jewelry models? I do still required some of the models.

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

S.O.S. (same old shit):

https://www.cgtrader.com/goldjewelry1996

each of 5 models available at 9:46PM 2020/05/17 is pirated.

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Duplicates were posted by the same couple (roza-jewelry and HZ-NilooM) again. Simultaneously.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/mermaid-pendant-1d53a59e-6473-4a6b-a47b-3c5b94c4b4b1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/mermaid-pendant-a8b49431-9d9c-41f8-8d21-5d53412ef02c

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Duplicates:
Fresh one: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/little-magic-magerit-boy-b6916812-0583-4223-b2bf-b7c33b451ba6

Old: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/little-magic-magerit-boy

The sellers are the same: roza-jewelry and hz-niloom

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Duplicates and simultaneous upload:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring68-f7255f75-172f-4f82-b661-80c701330f8a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring68

Original item was many times pirated and suspended after my requests

Another pair (and also simultaneous upload):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring67-220025c1-6adb-4efc-95a1-3dbda7f2289c
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring67

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Duplicates were simultaneously uploaded: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring66-5981381b-6496-485a-8c0a-9f04386b1bc2

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring66

Sellers are the same as in previous reports (roza-jewelry and hz-niloom)

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

roza and HZ
Duplicates (and simultaneous upload again)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-62d609ff-bc84-48ca-9a0c-862bcc040d47
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-dafaf1d6-2326-4424-bde3-a275fbf3e1ac

LemonadeCG

Posted 6 months ago

That is pathetic - the same sellers are caught to be selling stolen items time and time again and all cgtrader does, is removing reported assets, but does absolutely nothing to the sellers themselves. Is there any point in this?

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Aha :) As I know (support informed me about a week ago, when I reported previous cases from those sellers), support sent them notification about inadmissibility of simultaneous upload and about lots of interfering items in both stores... but (probably) who cares about notifications?..

LemonadeCG

Posted 6 months ago

@skapricorn, that's even worse - if sellers have been warned and they continue to commit the same fraud, that should be followed with immediate ban. Otherwise cgtrader just shows that they have no authority in their own marketplace. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

I call it "gypsy mentality".

trimitek

Posted 6 months ago

Unfortunately the 3d markets are still like the wild west regarding law.. maybe even worse.
Even stock image sites are light areas ahead in this regard.

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Support suspended FEW models I reported before (few days after I reported them...) and said me again this standard bullshit about "we will investigate..."

Here is copy of my last reply in conversation with support (and few links to cloned stuff I don't reported before):

≠≠≠≠≠≠
Thanks for "doing" your job. But I see NO results. Both accounts still have duplicated items and still uploading duplicates. Every day.

I see the cloned models that I reported days and weeks ago. That's not reuploaded items. That's the same models...

And another duplicates I find in both stores after simple searching (I asked your team to compare content that both fraudsters are selling few weeks ago. And now I see: CGT is done nothing except suspending of few models I reported).

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring64-1faaa7d0-9c04-48dc-ab52-15f3b856fbe7
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring64

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring27-5062ebc7-3b86-45af-aba5-701311e51bba
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring27

Your "team" gives no reasons to respect.
≠≠≠≠≠≠

And in another topic https://www.cgtrader.com/forum/general-discussions/it-is-a-shame-3d-model-thieves-on-cgtrader user Tecna leaved completely right comment about why CGT don't realy fights with pirates/fraudsters/cheaters.

MovART wrote 6 months ago

every day the same thing)

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

While I typed reply to support roza+HZ added again the same pirated "piano" ring that already were suspended those days :))))

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring68-5efb00fa-7041-4e2c-95f5-28804658fae7

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring68-94c663f2-542a-4760-b420-f1e0cf6519b3

LemonadeCG wrote 6 months ago

That's a mockery...

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Yes :(

trimitek wrote 6 months ago

Seems like both were banned now

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Yes. Now both are banned.

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Today's from "romanroman" (old thief, but CGT wants "evidences"): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-with-diamonds-pendant-n3

Good known and popular (and high quality) model of clayguy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-cross-a9623e9e-8877-4ede-9468-20f827fb287b

I informed clayguy about it. And not reported romanroman's item (let clayguy does it)...
About romanroman: this pukeeater has LOTS of pirated items. But CGT's approach gives no hope to suspend his account. Old models are "untouchable". But at least new uploads shows who he is...

Very sad situation... Theme about stolen models sales became popular again. I see new threads on the forum every day... And what does CGT???

LemonadeCG wrote 6 months ago

Sorry, but those are two different models. I'm not saying they are legit, or stolen, but they clearly are not the same.

LemonadeCG wrote 6 months ago

I would say that those models are much more similar and looks like derivative of each other: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-with-diamonds-pendant-n3 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-cross-pendant-medallion-jewelry

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Adding the row of gems to commercial base model don't makes "new" model legal. You would be right if romanroman's item contained only this row, but he sells not bezel, but assembly that contains pirated element (and subtraction from this pirated model few mounting elements also don't gives the reason to legalize pirated model)

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

And I don't reported this case to CGT team. Just sent the link to Jan Moderski. If he thinks that this item is stolen, then let he reports it as infringement.

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Oops. I took another look and now I can say I was wrong. Looks like it really different models. My bad. (But my opinion about RR not changed).

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

No comments. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=Anna-Georgian

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3108035

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

To previous link (copy of my request/report to CGT support team):

Whole shop of pirated models.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=Anna-Georgian

Examples: https://www.cgtrader.com/forum/selling-buying-3d-models/what-to-do-with-frauders vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3108035

another example: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/phantere-ring-cartier

another: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/angel-sculpture-d1d55e05-cab4-4d5a-a59d-be89bd067296 vs https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-angel-sculpture-statue-3d-scan-59361

more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/rooster-photogrammetry vs https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/rooster-gallo-fotogrametria

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/eagle-sculpture-a4d79399-75fb-417b-bff4-f3f95af7b14b vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:757506

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/owl-sculpture-3d-scan vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2002824

etc.

MovART

Posted 6 months ago

every day the same thing)

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

Yeah...

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

New catch. Non-jewelry :)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?high_poly=1&author=nozakiyuiki&sort_by=oldest

Is it legal at all?

1. More than 200 models were uploaded last 2 days. I know, it's "legal", but suspicious.

2. Each weapon model contains all parts. So anybody who buys this can use it as reference for producing real gun. I know. between 3d-max model and true CAD model is very very wide gap, but when "decorative" (non-CAD) 3d model contains all needed parts at least visually, it helps to rework it as normal CAD assembly without special hassle.

3. Another suspicious thing from "asian" user with japanese nickname: For example, this model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/gun/zis-3-weapon-3d-model-with-animations contains parts that has partially russian ID/names. And this https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/gun/mosin-nagant-weapon-3d-model-with-animations -- also.... Perhaps russian language is very popular in China and Japan and lots of chinese/japanese knows Russian and uses it during modeling to call parts with russian names...

4. I'm not as good in detecting non-jewelry piracy, I'm not animator/game modeler/generalyst... But seems like internet is full of identically looking models (and some of those models has more reasonable bigger price that reflects how much designer invested into his job)... For example, on CGT is present some older model (as far from 2014) of similar ZiS-3 gun, but I can't say is it the same mesh or not. It's job for CGT employees.

Anyway it's the job for mythic CGT's "investigation team". I sent request to support (of course only with question about legality of detailed weapons assemblies)

MovART wrote 6 months ago

It is necessary to block in the initial stages Butch upload Little step anti piracy

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Banned week ago "roza-jewelry" returned to CGT as "rozaza" with the same illegal content. (report sent to CGT support team)

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

Is it the same model or just two similar but different? (I'm sure -- the SAME)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pendant-sun-133

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-2--3

trimitek wrote 6 months ago

looks identical to me

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

New day -- old shit.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-bull-0f77a633-db71-4e41-a2c9-66d51bec47c5

I reported this model many times on CGT. It was uploaded by MANY different "sellers" and it's the same base model (except the gems) as still used as userpic by old and unpunished pirate shurik-ryas https://www.cgtrader.com/shurik-ryas

skapricorn

Posted 6 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/de-panthere
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-panthere-f0776266-cfda-403a-9b86-8818c89f8a7c
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-panter

Same "ye olde good cat", same "designer", same day. And this dirtbag posted this panther day ado, two days ago, three days ago... He's uploading it every day!!! LOLLLLLLL!!!!!

skapricorn wrote 6 months ago

fourth for today: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pantera-ring-ad64a0a1-22c3-4636-b514-03080b280e3b

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

old known cheater modelmaker (still unpunished, "thanks" to CGT team) uploaded 3 pirated panthers:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-cat-head-eaff1a70-55c2-4db1-82ad-a8cb59df650e

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-big-cat-in-gems-08c1d8f4-6216-4ffe-bb28-13ad9e26683d

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-cat-wire-0df56e75-5e0c-4bc8-9851-b7df3fba1eb1

And those models are identical/similar to https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/de-panthere (and other copies of the same model in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=Original-Jewelry-3D )... and panthers I reported yesterday during the working hours still alive.

"Good job", dear CGT...

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

I got the message from support. "Pantheroid" user called "original-jewelry-3d" is banned.

Thanks (without any quotes), CGT!!!

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Clones of the same user are simultaneously uploading duplicates of the same models:

Today:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mmh-earrings-n3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mh-earrings-n3

Other duplicates:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/m-rings-n79
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mm-rings-n79

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mh-rings-n11
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mmh-rings-n11

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mmh-rings-n12
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mh-rings-n12

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/m-rings-renault
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/m-rings-renault-f981651a-0727-4a58-8757-260b92d55c6b

==================...and there is more...
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=mhermher2700
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=mhermher27001

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Funny reality VS formal rules.

Instead of be suspended both cloned models (uploaded yesterday) appeared on the jewelry page with the default sorting ("best match"). https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry

Models: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mmh-earrings-n3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mh-earrings-n3

CGT don't fights against pirates/cheaters/fraudsters/scammers... CGT promotes them in fact.

LemonadeCG wrote 5 months ago

In case you didn't notice - it's weekend. Give cgtrader some time and i'm sure those models will be removed. As for promoting... this is done automatically by the system - if certain model meets specific criteria, it gets on the first page. I'm pretty sure cgtrader does not want intentionally promote suspicious items.

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

I know, it's weekend. But if CGT's system is MADE on way of automatically promoting controversial content, for me it's the same as CGT (un)officially supports piracy.

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

This model was many times suspended (in stores of different users):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-medusa-pentant-1da03f7e-d243-4cd4-bcd5-2053f856a98e
Other new models containning this element:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-band-ring-499d9d60-a191-4eef-8e47-17c33e265aa0
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-ring-bc3d5803-9587-4dd8-961c-ef931935fab6
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-medusa-necklace

All those models was uploaded last night by https://www.cgtrader.com/aadnaan

Also fresh uploads by aadnaan contains packages of signet rings that looks similar to packs that are selling by BAASU ( https://www.cgtrader.com/baasu ), Marco Langobardi ( https://www.cgtrader.com/marcolongobardi01 ), Jworx ( https://www.cgtrader.com/jworx ), ArtChahur ( https://www.cgtrader.com/artchahur ) etc. But those ring shanks can be reproduced easy, so I can't be sure that it's clones (however it looks suspicious)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Is there any difference between those two models or it's just result of CGT's internal bug?

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-ring-6a551064-68d0-4496-ba0a-dfa95ee96327
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-ring-88b2d8e9-b63a-4ba6-a2dc-3cc49b39f84f

trimitek wrote 5 months ago

They have slightly different keywords and model ID, so I guess it was deliberately uploaded twice.

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

@trimitek agree. (it was irony about "internal bug")

trimitek wrote 5 months ago

lol, it's hard to catch irony with all of the bugs around :D

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Banned last monday "original-jewelry-3d" returned to CGT as "ipsum" last weekend. https://www.cgtrader.com/ipsum
I detected him when he uploaded "panther's head" (I reported it not via ticket but using "report" button on the model's page). Suspicion that ipsum is original-jewelry-3d proved when he started to upload the same content as were in o-j-3d store (replicas... I don't reporting those replicas as pirated because it's pretty well rendered but technically ugly enough models and each of this replica looks similar to others but not same)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Cloned users are uploading duplicates again:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mmh-earrings-n4
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/mh-warrings-n4

I reported those users to support team during weekend. And this is fresh issue (uploaded last night 22.06.2020)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Naive cheating:
user "Aadnaan" uploaded duplicates again. The difference is only in description (one is 9US size, other is 60EU size, but the trick lies in fact 9US=60EU)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/black-widow-men-ring-578b08d5-4a39-4335-a669-e0b8fe4f0ca1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/black-widow-men-ring-50cf22ce-0a46-452a-93e9-e2343b627c17

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

The same user (ex- "original-jewelry-3d" now "ipsum") uploaded pirated item again (during weekend I already reported the same item):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/head-ring-43e6702e-a4e2-44d9-9b80-c0abfd88cace

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-tiger-ring-0d6f4207-b617-4cd4-8bff-5dd5fa928b9c

...dear Armenian designers, are you true designers or your meaning of "design" is "download from VK and upload to CGT"???

...and dear CGT support, are you alive and healthy or all are dead after "corona"??? Nothing done since last week, none of last reported links were processed.

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Fresh: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring-animal-ring
From 2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring
On CGT were published more copies of this horse (I seen today at least one more), but today is impossible to look at search results further than first page.

and just for LOLz: https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-d6cd395a-0d14-485c-8077-60705d8068c0

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

Gotcha! https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/horse-ring-5fb3cd1c-239b-4d2c-9d91-ef3207f4362c

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Old known generic pirated model was uploaded last night:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-medusa-pentant-1702c4e4-3728-4de2-b656-913355c7f9ea

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Uploaded last night: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/elephants-in-line-ring

Older model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/elephant-ring-e1054bf4-9c39-4074-ad99-85bb05693e61

I see, technically it's different models. But the main element of both models has absolutely identical base model of the elephant (in case of newer model maybe those elephants are slightly better processed).

Hudda-hagga isn't classic pirate, he/she is 3d-modelist, but he/she uses stolen 3d-models to assembly their own models. I know it 100% because I had the clash with "hudda" once when I found on CGT model that used my free model (tennis racket) as element of more complex hudda's model (it was used in hudda's "olympic pendant"). So I don't know is it piracy or not (in terms of official rules).

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

Oh! Here is one more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/diamond-bead-3e5e1da3-e18f-4cf4-93fd-c193644d0e13

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

And one more "panther" found: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/tiger-catier-jewelry
Due to CGT bug (at least in both browser's on my both devices) I can't inspect more than 120 models of this seller, but I see there also one of derivatives of versace's medusa, old known pirated mermaid etc... and typical for Eastern Asian sellers stuff (looks similar to hahnnguen's "models" and to other chinese/vietnamese/thai stores... it needs to be inspected deeper, but CGT don't gives any possibility to do it)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

As proof for my previous comment:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/mermaid-jewelry-3d
vs
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101221 (yes, glorious shurik-ryas again... mmeh)

but I have some doubts because both of models looks ALMOST identical, but has definitely slightly different mimics. (maybe in one of those derivatives was just slightly re-sculpted face... but other proportions and parts looks identical)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Two days, two fake designers, the same pirated model that appeared and appears each single day on CGT in stores of different sellers :

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-dfd80b86-d42b-40d1-b1a8-706bedfa46f8

BOTH MUST BE DELETED (I don't believe CGT will ban "designers"...)

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Due to CGT's site rendering issues (CGT don't shows more than 1 page and it lasts many days on my all devices and in all browsers)? here is just 3 pairs of illegal models from two sellers "thegioinutrang" and "nguyenneo69" (and as usual both sellers are pirates):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/godly-rings-leopard-rings-men-ring-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/jewelry-3dm-17dae06e-edff-4a98-ad0e-ed4652dfa03b

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-rings-leopard-rings-men-ring-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/3d-bracelets-jewelry-3d-b6e30795-df04-47ae-a3bd-e80a210a80f1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/godly-rings-lion-ring-men-ring-3d-print-model-79bdc6cb-a885-466e-a3f3-fab3ce0a01da
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/jewelry-3dm-3649c224-7b58-41b5-96fa-04426684f3c2

There is more, but it's job for mythic "CGT investigation team"... may be those fraudsters will be banned next month or next year... ;)

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

Thanks CGT support! Both antidesigners were suspended yesterday.

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Yesterday I got reply from support team about this model -- it was deleted in the store of the same seller (hovpogh21) and copy was deleted from another store (after I reported both)
But this night hovpogh21 re-uploaded this old pirated item again
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panter-ring-d6475b8c-9a6e-4417-b5ea-33a2aa6df10f

trimitek

Posted 5 months ago

That's exactly why CGT should not only remove the stolen content, but ban the thieves and not let them register again as they always do.

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

user hovpogh21 uploaded this model third time (2 previous uploaded panther rings was already suspended)
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panther-ring-7c738600-748c-4d3b-88f4-1119452560eb

here is the quote from the previous CGT support answer: "I would like to inform you that this model has been suspended again and in case this behavior continues, we will suspend the account of this seller." And I hope CGT will do it...

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

Uploaded last night: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/hopi-hummingbird

Earlier models with the same bird (some versions slightly differs in nuances, but all models are pirated):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/the-hummingbird-ring-boucheron
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/kolibri-347fba0a-2f02-4b74-9b16-06226520368e
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/the-hummingbird-ring-ec80e140-dd14-4008-b585-0c0c86b09cb9

skapricorn

Posted 5 months ago

12 days ago I reported another clone of this model and it was deleted by CGT support. Now it appeared in new store. "Author" has at this moment only 4 models and one of them is this pirated horse ring. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-head-womens-ring

As the "evidence" link to model from 2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring

P.S. Models reported during last weekend still not processed. I can call it SABOTAGE from CGT.

LemonadeCG wrote 5 months ago

Yesterday was a national holiday at cgt office location, so hold your horses before calling the names.

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

I don't care about national days, holidays etc. Global site must be working globally 24/7 (joke... maybe...)

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

Today is also holiday? (i wanted to edit my previous comment, but I suppose site code also has holidays and comment editing doesn't works as needed)

skapricorn wrote 5 months ago

And here we are coming to serious things: marketplace pretends to be biggest in universe (1060000+ models at this moment), authors, sellers, customers are coming from whole world (and where is 12AM in another place is 12PM). But i think really technical department of CGT has 5-6 employees. It can be not bad at all (if CGT was coded good, had strong servers, brilliant automation on the server side without bugs etc etc etc)... but in reality CGT shows each month new bugs and not becoming but already became very unstable (and maybe insecure)... I know, if the profit goals of CGT managers allows to "squeeze" more, they will do it till the apocalypse... but what about reputation (not users internal "reputation" but real business reputation)?

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

Banned about 1-2 weeks ago Vietnamese pirate came back https://www.cgtrader.com/phuthanhjewelry

skapricorn wrote 4 months ago

Reported to CGT ban team.

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/mark3d79

this user was banned twice (as "thegioinutrang" and "phuthanhjewelry"). Now returned as "mark3d79" with the same models (and the same e-mail address on the screenshots.)

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=3dmark

this user was banned triple(as "thegioinutrang" and "phuthanhjewelry"). Now returned as "3dmark" with the same models. Shop contains also models from banned "nguyenneo69" store and also popular among pirates models of cartier's panther jewelry.

Ca. 100 models were uploaded in just one night.

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

As evidence to my previous comment about "3dmark":

Uploaded last night by 3dmark: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-c7c43609-f9f2-40ad-8b4d-b14cf7c74de1

Absolutely the same model from 2017 uploaded by mak85rter: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-65

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

100% Pirate: https://www.cgtrader.com/ab-jewellery

I won't to search "evidences"... it's investigation team business. But obvious attributes of piracy here are at least "fusion/ultravision" models, appeared "here and there and everywhere" on the CGtrader many times.

Each time when I reported those models to support, they asked me about "evidences", but sorry, lazy and sneaky CGT guys, only you can parse, compare complex models uploaded on your servers. You know perfectly that I was and still right about all this models, but probably you have your inner instructions to not touch this shit.

skapricorn

Posted 4 months ago

Another newcomer and "top-star" of last couple weeks https://www.cgtrader.com/perdono is also primitive pirate.
All attributes of piracy are here: speedy batch upload, familiar looking models, items identical to many others from another sellers...

I don't report him only because i have not enough free time to dig CGT, and CGT still working not smooth, sluggish and buggy (at least with connection from my country).

mmarieden wrote 4 months ago

Probably a money laundering scheme.

skapricorn

Posted 3 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/andrejaques-b

I reported 2 models ("Tiger ring" and "Panther head ring") directly from pages as pirated items.

But other models are also "stolen".

For example here is original "animal ring": https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2173984 (on this thingiverse's page are also shown remixes of those rings that proves identical models from thingiverse and from this user called "andrejaques-b").

Other models from this user also looks very familiar.

skapricorn

Posted 3 months ago

Isn't in this store not too many copies of cartier's "cats"?

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=marktomas

I reported many identical "panthers" during this year and usually all were placed for sale by different "designers"

skapricorn

Posted 2 months ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/pengice007

At least 3 (or 4) models from 9 are pirated. (I hope those "cat heads" are familiar to CGT support team).

PBRCool

Posted about 1 month ago

lol and that sellers in gone now

PBRCool

Posted about 1 month ago

i see some similar product but different seller so look like those were pirated. and some are seeling in others 3d site too.

PBRCool

Posted about 1 month ago

i think i have an idea cgtrader should make a system which auto detect same render image to detect similar product and make it offline automatically.

trimitek

Posted about 1 month ago

That was proposed multiple times over the years to TS and CGT, but it seems like nobody wants to do it for some reason.

skapricorn wrote about 1 month ago

1. Profit. (From traffic, ads, clicks, visitors, royalties etc...) 2. Content analyse system is expensive (and maintaining also) So I understand CGT, TS and other sites. (Especially hyper-deadly-greedy "american dreamers" who owns TS :))))))))

skapricorn

Posted 22 days ago

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-st-george-3d-print-model
Pirated model. This well known item is circulating across the Internet by years. Were many times suspended on CGT in stores of different "sellers".

Another pirated model that uses the same shank as base: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-of-saint-peter-the-fisherman

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