What to do with frauders?

Discussion started by skapricorn

They are here for long time.

Cadcart, micheldogary-, shurik-ryas, perhaps grivajewel and cadholder-1 and lots of others people that uploading hundreds of items per day. And usually this models are very suspicious. They have a lot of same (or very similar models), don't have normal info about item, they declaring 3DM format, but instead of it are just wrapping STL into 3DM file etc etc etc. Most of all this stuff was collected on internet for free, or just used Matrix/Rhinogold (or similar) samples and library elements. And this "free" stuff was leaked from 3d-printing service studios (stolen by managers, printer operators etc...)

Does CGtrader have any ideas what to do with this people?

I know, CGT have profit from each sale and money doesn't smell. But what about reputation and what about real modelers and designers who are harmed by these "sellers"?

And speaking about other suspicious "designers": Here is description from the page of one (newcomer who selling Jcad stuff for 3$ per model): ___<<

We are trying to provide lots of perfect jewelry 3d file for your
production, we have our own design team, create hundreds models per
month, and we keep providing high-quality jewelry cad 3d file for you.
Thousands of designs will be uploaded every month, pls keep follow us
for new arrival designs.>>___ Brilliant! They have HUNDREDS of slaves who making models to throw it in internet for free. (And I'm even not talking about Jcad niche "quality").


Answers

Posted 4 months ago
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If you have evidence of stolen assets being sold, then provide them to support and illegall content or even whole accounts will be removed. Otherwise, i would restrain myself from calling other sellers as frauders or scammers without solid evidence, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I reported some items. And I'm don't shy about it. But here.is no limit to uploads and hard limit to models you can report. Another point: admins are deleting only one reported model. Not both, not three, four etc. If CGT os caring about reputation, admins.must do their work as.needed, not only by demand.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
And man, I'm 20 years in jewelry industry and 17 years in modeling for jewelry, I see, what is scam.
Posted 4 months ago
1

@skapricorn, i just write you PM.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Thanks, Lemonade. Got and answered. "Live.long an prosper"!
Posted 4 months ago
5

So, what you said makes me wonder, so I looked at some of these models, especially the models of michaeldogarry-1 because he is the #1 on the list "TopDesigners".
And besides these models may or may not be stolen, what I found kind of suspicious is the FACT that every single model he uploaded he just has 1 to 5 different pictures BUT 30 to 100 times uploaded!!!
That doesn't seem to be a problem at first but remember: more pictures = higher publishing score for your model = better ranking in search.

So again the models may or may not be stolen but he definitely don't "play fair".

Btw.
I tried the same to test it so I uploaded the exact same amount of models, same format, copied his description, copied the tags.
With just 1 Picture the Score is about 4.2 but with 50 Pictures which are all the exact same one:
Lady and gentleman hold your beer: the score is 8.0!
That's a howl new league!

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Yes, I'm also started adding unnecessary pictures and useless for printing and for industrial design formats (as OBJ) while ago. Only for better publishing score. And I'm feeling like I'm generating spam just because CGT "loves it". It works (or worked) but not as much. Publishing score gives me no profit or more views. It just gives access to "analytics"(and this analytics is pretty useless for me). So I don't want to making unnecessary (and dirty) moves (like adding lots of pictures and unneeded formats) further.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
The system CGT made has its advantages and uses, but has to be refined for specific cases (like textures for examples) and there has to be punishments for those who exploit it ( deducting 50 reputation points could be a good prevention method for cases like this one).
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
The best prevention would be more smarter rules of "publishing score" calculation.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
Identical image detection will also be not very hard to develop I guess
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
You're right. But the rule "Add as more pictures as possible" is stupid in the ground. Not for all models 1000 pictures and renders are needed and in the same time no one wants to have "1.0" as PS for their models.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Maybe it's not bad for fully rigged mega-tech-robot or for model for animation etc. (Also additional format). But when for some relatively NURBS-model of flat pendant that intended for CNC-machining or for 3d-printing I need to add OBJ's and pair of dozens of views -- it confusing me and it's very hard to be psychologicallyaccepted by customers (and OBJ, 3DS and other "cartoon"-formats in this case just gaves additional load to CGT servers....)
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Searching and analyse MUST be an internal tool for CGtrader. It can detect copysellers/thieves https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-3dm-stl-file-3d-print-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-snake-10362 https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-35-d9c8c5e5-bcd3-481a-bbc4-f307fa8f7aad https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/free-model-c7d77e5a-57bb-48ec-8cb5-495ae6762d19
zabotlama wrote
zabotlama
I must say that I agree in this case and I would only add that similarly stupid is also rule: "Add as more key-words as possible". The negative effect of this is category spamming in other words some artists are adding irrelevant key-words. I personally have sometimes problem to think the minimal required 5 keywords.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
small correction for my previous comment with links: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
I totally agree with the rest. It's bad enough that certain sellers upload same or almost identical models numerous times, but when they exploit the publishing score in a such rude manner to get their models on top of all others... This behaviour should be punished. Fair sellers just stand no chance. No wonder why everyone is so desperate to set their prices to unacceptable level. I think we need to get cgtrader support's or even administration's attention to this issue. Situation will only get worse if we do nothing and only will chat in the forum.
Posted 4 months ago
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Another evidences? Just look at real author's site ( http://noktamodel.com/index.php ) author's name is Burak Yalcin.

And at this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=turkish&sort_by=sales

All this stuff is selling by multiple "authors" (such as cadcart, shurik-ryas and others) for a very long time. And CGtrader is literally flooded by this stuff.
As modeler I can say: almost all of those copies looks not like remodeled, reverce-engineered or retopo'ed but like absolutely same models stolen many years ago and downloaded from "shadow zone". For example: https://vk.com/albums-57934042 or https://vk.com/album-57934042_248226332 there are "sales", but in real isn't complicated to ask there somebody about free copy. "Companies" like 3dwax.ru and 3drings.ru are pretty "famous" between illegal stuff searchers and sellers.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
but CGT-support says like in film with Arnie: "what is your evidences?" ...I can find more. Because thanks pirates, now I don't have motivation or inspiration for designing or fir work with customers but it made a lot of free time for me ^))))))))
Posted 4 months ago
2

One more stolen model:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gold-mushroom-pendant

Proof? I have all project files. Because it was modeled by me. As far in year 2010. I provided to administration ZIP with this files. Let admins looks at file attributes and properties.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
P.S. I know for 100% -- it's (or "it WAS") my model. Because I know my own skills, style and modeling manners in that period (2010). And I remember for which customer I modeled it... etc.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
one more P.S.: I never published this model not because it was modeled for customer basing on some reference pictures of another mushroom. No. It's not exclusive job. It's just was boring and pretty ugly model. :) But client was fully satisfied. Looking at "About" of this seller I see: "Attention! 3D models mainly in stl formats, though are translated in 3dm a format. I do not translate files from one format to another. Attention! Some earrings without lock in a set!"... And you know why STL only? Answer is simple: models was leaked out some 3d-printing service in Moscow (probably from infamous 3dwax.ru but I don't have evidences... but I know and most of russian\moscowian jewelry designers knows about this "company")
Posted 4 months ago
2

One more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-ring-with-emerald-8acb1cb4-edcf-473b-805d-14061b08c54a
And the same model I seen in some "top sellers" stores. This model was also modeled by me on demand of my customer many years ago. I never published it because it was made UGLY (i don't like to place stones this way) by the will of client. And because it contains datum: 2006/28/04 (who needs others memories????)))))))) Admins needs proofs??? OK! Archive with source project attributed way older than 2017 (2010, but model was produced earlier) is on my HDD and copy is in cloud.

Posted 4 months ago
2

And because topic about sellers selling stolen and leaked models for 3d printing is not as interesting for people on CGT, i will say pair words on my native language:

Для того, чтобы из магазина продавца shurik-ryas были удалены несколько моих моделей, понадобился целый день практически бессмысленного пинг-понга по и-мэйлу с технической поддержкой CGT. И я не уверен, что эти модели были удалены по моей просьбе, потому что ссылки на них перестали работеть только после того, как я поделился ими с одним из пользователей, котоырй официально отношения к администрации не имеет. Все остальные ссылки, которые я отправлял в хелпдеск остаются без реакции и без ответа. Выходит, что вторая в мире по величине и объёму трафика биржа 3d-моделей не настолько велика по своим деяниям. Возникают подозрения, что некоторые люди в администрации CGT как-то связаны с некоторыми нечистыми на руку продавцами-"пылесосами". Сложилось впечатление, что ситуация, когда нечистые совестью продавцы торгуют краденными, слитыми из принт-сервисов и мастерских или собранными по пиратским пабликам на вконтакте моделями, ничуть не беспокоит CGT, либо же CGT намеренно выбрал такой путь с целью иметь в обороте много тысяч моделей, с которых всё-таки можно имметь какой-то процент. С точки зрения цели получения выгоды CGT можно понять. Этически -- нет. Абсолютно непроверенные и не проверяемые никем, топ-"дизайнеры" продолжают заливать тонны несвоих моделей на площадку, подстёгивая клиентов, стремящихся получить большее за меньшие деньги или бесплатно (это нормально, это естественно, это природа человека). Меж тем, честным дизайнерам и модельерам остаётся только уяснить для самих себя: своим трудом деньги не заработаешь, за свой

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
что-то пошло не так на клавиатуре и сообщение улетело незаконченным... итак... Простым дизайнерам и модельерам, которые работают сами на себя остаётся лишь уяснить: ваш труд -- это не профессия, а хобби. С этого хобби будут иметь свою прибыль всякие шурики, кадкарты и прочие "пылесосы". И прямой контакт с такими "продавцами"-ворами обычно складывается в таком ключе: "Ну вперёд!.. А что ты сделаешь?". Практика показывает, что они и в самом деле привыкли к безнаказанности. И попытки исправить ситуацию также показывают, что в лучшую сторону ничего не изменится. Потому что нет квалифицированного содействия со стороны администрации. Модельеры для ювелирки, ЧПУ и 3д-печати издавна жаловались на неадекватность цен и затрачиваемых усилий, все эти разговоры ведутся столько, сколько я себя помню в этой индустрии, больше 15-ти лет. Но к 2019 году всё только ухудшилось. И статистика просмотров и продаж моделей это подтверждает. Ещё один смешноватый момент. Каждый раз, когда тапок правды становится на хвост таких "шуриков", они начинают канитель: "Чувак! Но ты же сам продаёшь модели известных брендов". Нет, ребята, я продаю модели, которые смоделировал своими руками. И речь идёт о продаже того материала, который модельер сделал сам. Вместе с этим также выползают всякие лицемерные наивыши, котоыре именно за это же начинают укорять. При этом сами не зудумываются, что не они тоже разработали и придумали большинство из всех этих интерьерных объектов, автомобилей и прочих моделей. Но они при этом приложили много сил и навыков, чтобы построить эти модели по нескольким референсным картинкам. Это серьёзный труд, и они его ценят, но только когда сами им занимаются. При этом они всё-таки считают, что какой-нибудь форд-фокус или айфон, сделанный ими в 3д-макс легален, а сделанный мной набор украшений, визуально повторяющий какой-нибудь картье -- это пиратство, воровство и зашквар. :)
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
И суммирую кратко: CGT не способен очиститься от краденых моделей для 3d-печати. Он не имеет нужных ресурсов, и квалификации, и, скорее всего, желания. Зато имеет процент с продаж. К сожалению, на данный момент CGT до сих пор остаётся лучшей и самой удобной площадкой для поиска, заказа, покупки и продажи 3d, то есть в других местах дела обстоят гораздо хуже.
marpro wrote
marpro
Ok I can absolutely understand you, not the text which is looking for me like hieroglyphs, but anyway: I could imagine that it is accepted form CGT because of one simple reason: CGT promotes itself as the biggest 3D Model Website in the World. To be the biggest Website you have to have the biggest amount of 3D Models. And who are the guys who uploaded the most models? You are right these incredible diligent "studios" which uploads thousands of models every month. But how it is possible that one Studio uploads so many models? 1. You worked for the last 20 years every day and was modeling every possible jewelry. 2. you are currently in a country where you have a "Studio" whit hundreds of "Employees" which model as fast as they can, because for every model they will get 20ct. 3. You really have some employees who download some models from some "suspicious" websites, download the preview of this model two and just upload them. Hmm, maybe there are more ways but I guess i can imagine which is the actual method. They also said that they have about 2 Million 3D Artists because they count every single Profile that means customers to, but they don't tell you that. (Search field: "Search 910 000 3D Models", with 2 Million Artist? not really!)
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
This is freaking ridiculous. The same is happening with other models, just look at fancy interiors for $5 that is selling by chinese accounts - you can find same models with exactly same previous being sold by many different sellers. It's sad enough that one has to spend huge amount of personal time to gather evidence, but when CGT is closing eyes on evidence... it's just frustrating.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Yes. I seen. It's VERY frustrating. Now i'm not completely decided, but i have strong will to ask administration after this "black friday sale" to suspend all my models, because I can not compete with thieves and fake "studios". I'm not sure now... but impulsively I want to boycott CGT in nearest future... I'm sure, if somebody will ask me in future how is selling or buying models here, I will answer: "Don't worth... Better try to crawling on VK.com publics and communities or on CGpeers/CGpersia". I hope, quality modeling for printing will die as soon, because current situation and system already came to dead end of any creative process and development and shitsellers are the kings of the hill.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
After whole day all links still working. It's true evidence how CGT really 8s functioning. Never trust ex-USSR, even if it's Baltic.
Posted 4 months ago
3

One example how works CGT.
I needed pretty long time to prepare and to upload new item https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-rings-with-inner-ornament I finished uploading and placed the model at ca 14-00 CET. Now is 17-10 CET and view of jewelry on CGT (sorted as "Newest") shows that only few users added new models. But my model is deep in butthole (~80th). 90% of today model flood made by cadcart via "batch uploading". Me and other authors have any chance to bee seen by buyers? (Answer is NO).

Also today shitseller CadHolder1 added again same old copy of StGeorge ring (yesterday it was suspended after my reports) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/fancy-ring-dfa64f13-acff-48cf-b735-1622ba94190c

I don't know what administration is doing. Seems like they are too busy to control what users are uploading :))

Posted 4 months ago
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And summarizing my last days activity I can say Thanks to CGT administration for suspending some models. But most of links still alive.
I don't want to dig all this shit deeper and to pee against the wind.
I noticed one more thing: last days I uploaded just 1 model, sold nothing ("black friday" is only for "top's"... not for dorks like me ), but gained lots of reputation points only because I played role of insane shitcrawler here on forum. I think it's absolutely wrong thing. I woul'd be much happier if I gained only half of quarter of this points not via flood but via publishing and sales. Life is life.

I can conclude that my "fight against thieves" is failed. Fraudsters on CGT (as on the rest of Internet) will win every time and forever. Amen. Thanks.

(Better I'll go to unload cars on the railway because it's easier and much better paid job).

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Unfortunatelly, fighting with thieves is very little rewarding experience. In digital world, it's much easier to steal, than to caught a thief. And even when the thieves get caught, they face no consequences. Worst that could happen to them, is closed account and lost small amount of money, accumulated during current month. Most of them immediately opens new account. Some even dares to brag about that in the forum. Solitary sellers can't do much about that. I believe that marketplaces could change the situation, if they wish, but the problem is, they don't mind the thieves. Pecunia non olet.
Posted 4 months ago
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This problem was neglected for far too long and reached extreme levels in the last 2-3years.
All 3D marketplaces must realize that this can no longer continue and measures should be taken now.

We may disagree on the methods, but I think we all agree this is a very serious issue which discourages all honest Artists here.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
As "starter" would be not bad premoderation of uploaded models. I know, it may be hard for CGT human resources, but it's one more reason to revise "batch upload" system. For example, author/seller may reach some "trust deal" and get some kind of "certificate" from CGT administration... I know... it's hard in terms of numbers, but it's very very very needed. But only this action may throw out illegal and bad (without needed description or with 100 repetitive views etc...) models.
Posted 4 months ago
2

One more newcomer that needs to be inspected. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=tyraell (if not the same then very very similar stuff is numerously presented by other "authors", I posted links to this designs in this thread before)

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Example to compare: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=caria or better this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=ultra+vision&amp;suggested=1
Posted 4 months ago
0

At this moment none of persons who multiple times tried to sell (and sold) stolen or free models as "own" works still not punished and still uploading shit again.
For example: sorting "jewelry" every morning with sorting "newest" models I still finding every time freshly uploaded "saint george ring " models and other old stuff.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
If support staff aren't subscribed to this topic (most likely they aren't), then your post goes unnoticed. It would be much more effective to write directly to support.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
All links from this post (and more) I report also to helpdesk. And they are doing good job and deleting duplicates or illegal models. But deleting of 5-6 if models from 5000 and more have no effect on pirates. "Punishing" must be more than just deleting infringed models.
Posted 4 months ago
4

This whole thread makes me depressive.
It is so unfair to see that many guys who get so much money, with apparently stolen models, while you have to be happy about every single sale.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Same sh#t... And much depressive for me, when I'm digging tons of those "models" instead of working on my own designs. But if CGT moderators are too busy or too lazy for doign their job, I can't stop to help them eliminate illegal models.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
But as wrote me CGT's marketing-head: "please understand that you're competing in crowded space, so competition is high. " I'm understood him... The meaning of words "Fair competition" always was and still different for modelers/craftsmen and for sales managers.
marpro wrote
marpro
It is just a little bit like... Adobe: "Our sales are falling..." Expert: "..you are competing in crowded space!" All these illegal download sites: "FREE PHOTOSHOP, GET IT HEEEEERE!"
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
all it was described by Marx 150 years ago.
Posted 4 months ago
3

The haul after today's morning coffee (already reported to administration as usually):

"Versace" gorgona clones

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/diamond-versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-pendent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/277-wedding-ring

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Older (also stolen stuff, but I don't found evidences yet)
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

Set that has interfering models (from Cadholder1): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d

Were deleted/suspended after my report, but Cadholder1 uploaded it again:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-07

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-05

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-04

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-03

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-02

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-01

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-c0d82717-4aef-4b4d-9eb2-9d52dc25c133

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-9affb56b-f9c7-424a-82fa-13004b13f4fd

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-cfb2bd71-d6ba-466c-93af-308ea31bc76b

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-634ced92-190f-46ff-8a2c-893375a47adf

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-01

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-3bc7e019-205b-4ce1-998f-a440ab0c5642

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print-7d793e68-d760-43aa-a9a2-a1823ba928df

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

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ZBrush dogs/cats:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/other/dog-model-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-dog-ring

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https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cat-ring-3d-print-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cute-dog-ring

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"Dog face":

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-face-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-dog

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-1

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Update in addition to dog faces (and in previous links list ) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-16 Sorry for half-mistake, but if add this addition to previous list, there will be no doubts about presence of clones.
Posted 4 months ago
3

Eureka!

Why CGT employees can not just input on server some SQL-query to find and filter models from different sellers that have identical attributes (file extension, checksum and file size). During my "birdwatching" i noticed lot of times that most of fraudsters are selling the same FILES with common size and extension.

(I don't pretending to anything, but it's really pretty hard: doing for free job of paid employees using only regular and buggy search tools of CGT... I'm interpreting my actions as investment to my and other fair designers better chances to be viewed and sold. But my mental health isn't rock-solid:)))))))) )

trimitek wrote
trimitek
I had suggested the same (+ additional things) to TurboSquid support few months ago, because it's really easy to do - guess what happened?
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Yes, I guess.... ;) (but really it's more sad than funny or ironic)
trimitek wrote
trimitek
Yes, exactly nothing happened and they even started protecting thieves and un-ban old banned thieves accounts. CGT now has a chance to prove that they are not the same. From what I have seen so far they do ban thieves.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Yes, I know about bans as result of thief-hunters work here on CGT. But none of reported "sellers" of jewelry 3d-printable models is banned yet on CGT. They still working and dumbest of them ( Cadholder1) still uploading already suspended items again. Maximum that does CGT -- just and only suspends copies and clones, not more.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
They tend to be slow as they still don't have enough people working on this. If you had provided solid proof for 3-4 products on account it should be banned.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I provided much more.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
I suspect the reports info is not very well structured and organized on CGT side (if at all), so I will suggest you to gather your reports and order them to show clearly you had proof for more than 4 products per account and send that info to support. Tell us what happened after that.
Posted 4 months ago
3

Example of identical file attributes (both from cadcart):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/women-pendant-3dm-render-detail-ad09be6f-65ae-4936-8cfc-f8c803b4d26c
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/cube-pendant-3dm-render-detail

The same renders, the same files: Rhino 3DM 67.6 MB

I suppose cadcart don't knows he/she sells not only scam but has duplicates in own store :))))

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08101309

They are in London but working more cynically than russians (comparing with russian Ritaflower or shurik-ryas (ok, shurik is from Donbass-dumbass and now living in Lithuania or Latvia, but it's "russian world")). HILARIOUS!!!!

marpro wrote
marpro
Ouhh, so this happens when two of these model stealing "Employees" steal exactly the same model, just upload it again. I am curious about what happens if there are no "real" modelers who upload stuff, do the thieves steal then their own models to upload it again?
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Mapro, "batch upload" another name is "throw, don't look" :) And more benefits for fraudsters: when they uploading suspended models again, they are gaining fresh rep.points (when model is suspended, it has no reflection on rep.points, rep.p decreases only if model is deleted, but admins don't delete, just suspends) Seems like with completely this tactics "works" Cadholder1.
Posted 4 months ago
2

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From https://www.cgtrader.com/jewelry-cadder

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2093
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2751
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2094
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2285
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2289
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2696
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2694
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2840
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2264
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2246
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2284
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2633
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2256
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2844
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2282
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2842
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2153
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2258
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2843
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2697
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vr-pnd2086
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/vrpnd2849
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0008-3dm-48-files

From https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=cadholder1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-21
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-23
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-17
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-18
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-19
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-22
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-14
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-20
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-15
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-16
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-12
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-13
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-09
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-05
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-11
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-e6b51fff-32d8-4563-a56d-58fe35ce59f1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-04
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-01
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-02
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-03
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-12
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-08
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-c0d82717-4aef-4b4d-9eb2-9d52dc25c133
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-07
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-9affb56b-f9c7-424a-82fa-13004b13f4fd
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-cfb2bd71-d6ba-466c-93af-308ea31bc76b
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-5-size-turkey-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/6-sie-nokta-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d

Posted 4 months ago
2

And I'm not tired of repeating: none of numerously compromised shitsellers (cadcart, shurik-ryas, cadholder-1, jewelry-cadder and so on) was punished.
CGtrader looks not like a legal stock but more like pirates sandbox.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Do they remove reported assets, but leave accounts intact, or doesn't they do anything about your reports?
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Yes. They do models blocking without other consequences for sellers.
Posted 4 months ago
2

My free model (It's even not a replica because it looks far from original, I modeled it 12-14 years ago for lazy customer): https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/spring-shaped-cheap-design-free-wedding-rings

Shitseller from Armenia sells it (as usually even preview renders were not changed): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bvlgari-diamond-ring-3b305853-f5ea-46bd-a01b-5877a7e2be7f

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
About seller: https://www.cgtrader.com/anahitman Half of feedback is negative (4 from 9) with words like "model was incomplete", "fraud seller" etc.
Posted 4 months ago
3

I reported this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=cartier
to Cartier official.

I know that this action will affect some of my models as well. But I'm ready to remove replicas from my store (I'm making replicas, but this isn't my the most favorite activity, I like do my own designs and profit from some my designs is not worst than profit from replicas...)

trimitek wrote
trimitek
As a related side note: Maybe the time when you will agree that licensed software check can solve a lot of the thieves and undercutting problems is not too far away ;) The price you will have to pay for the software you use will be compensated by the diminished unfair competition.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
at least for my segment (3d printable jewelry) or whole 3d print segment - no.
Posted 4 months ago
2

Two shitsellers... cadcart and dsakaria 16

https://www.cgtrader.com/cadcart
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/64-gents-male-engagement-wedding-ring-bulk-collection

https://www.cgtrader.com/dsakaria16
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/83-male-rings-inclusive-of-3-couple-ring-extreme-light-weight
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-54
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-80
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-14
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-47
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-23
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/couple-rings-45e0fc11-5dc0-4a0e-a61e-03bbc6bf6a96
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-6-b72c1bf7-ef80-48d7-829d-a9f83aed8c78
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-48
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-25
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/couple-wedding-rings-9dd0b98f-83cd-48e2-aff1-2e60b4e3e419
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-70
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-13
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-26
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-60
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-49
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-39
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-40
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-56
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-20
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-59
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-64
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-28
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-18
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-17
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-8
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-22
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-5-8da141e5-b54a-4cf7-b917-abab0a3b3cdd
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-15
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-76
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-27
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-61
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-16
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-12
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-42
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-33
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-4-6d808b28-47fd-4fa9-9400-c538a94aaaed
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-21
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-35
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-11
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-38
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-78
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-19
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-37
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-58
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-52
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-36
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-34
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-24
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-66
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-29
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-7-a81bd549-6c40-47f6-b0a9-d0c5fe67a081
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-43
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-65
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-3-45611f19-3ac3-4f4e-afa5-c6e4fc4f69da
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-55
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-72
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-45
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-46
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-67
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-51
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-74
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-31
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-30
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-68
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-63
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/male-ring-53

Posted 4 months ago
2

Same model, same seller, but techically different views on the render and different files attributes. It's example of all dumbness of "Batch upload" system.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gold-ring-f9c2eb26-ea53-49e7-b1d5-f28b138aac74

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/gold-ring-blue-stone

I'm ABSOLUTELY sure: micheldogary-1 is fraudster. And sooner or later I'll find the evidences.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
...and he resumed upload flood... last few days batchfuckers had pause and it reflected very positively on the sales of other users. But since flooders resumed batch bombing, I can say: until they still uploading hundreds of model waste, we will face with new sales falling.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
https://agjewellers.com/product/vjr019/
marpro wrote
marpro
Congratulation! Hope you don't need to find more... At this point, this thread is like a mini-story of you searching weak spots of the nemesis of the 3d seller community! :D Skapricorn vs Michaeldogary-1 ... shurik-ryas ... and the other "minions". I hope that one day all of these Villains are defeated and banned so they never come back... *probably not but anyway.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Mapro, until "batch" loading is used by shitsellers and until tech.support deletes only reported models without any other actions, this mindless hunt will never be successful.
Posted 4 months ago
3

I got message from administration team. They said they banned one fraudster because they found lots of stolen models in his store. I don't understood who it was. Perhaps it was some small shitseller. Big fishes (cadcart, shurik-ryas, jewelry-cadder etc. are still untouchable, but I hope, justice will hit them sooner or later)

Anyway it's very significant event for 3d-print model sellers community.

marpro wrote
marpro
Finally a success, a small success but a success!
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
It was creatorworld. Not the biggest pirate, but he was very visible.
Posted 3 months ago
3

Aren't those Jizzies the same (difference only in small details. And another notice: first picture in anush555's model description shows absolutely another cross than is shown on the others)

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/cross-pendant-84

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-cross-5d0866db-299f-4ae5-bc22-8be5e79ca2f6

marpro wrote
marpro
Yeah, the first picture is a different one, besides that, they are pretty much the same. But I think on the 3$ Pendant they sculpt a little more hair on the Cross itself.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I think none of this "Authors" don't sculpted anything :) Yes, difference in background on the cross and may be in hair detailing is obvious. And if we can assign Jizzy-head as primitive object (like a sphere or a box) then those models are different... but wait a minute... overall composition, the font for INRI letters is also the same. uhmmmm (here must be placed meme with Philosoraptor))))))))))))
marpro wrote
marpro
This is just ridiculous! So many guys are taking this piece and sell it?! Insane.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Every 3d-printer operator or CNC machinist have this dragon (or at least had or seen before) for almost 15 years (if not older). It was one of first popular pirated STL that people liked to use for demonstration of 3d-printer abilities (like Wanhao uses today pirated St.George signet for advertising)))))))
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
This is crazy. I used to bring my own models to local 3D-print shop for printing. I never asked if they delete the models after print - i thought goes without question, but now, i'm not so sure anymore.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Lemonade, I don't know how honest are print-shops worldwide, but in ex-USSR printing model within your workshop is always "hazardous" :) I knew lots of unsecure print shops in Moscow and just few companies that are working honestly.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
And there is lots of social reasons that provokes employees to steal.
marpro wrote
marpro
Each, and every list, makes me angrier. And I don't even sell jewelry, so it doesn't affect me that much, but this is brazen.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I don't know. Maybe this catastrophic situation is only in jewelry segment... but I have doubts... If one segment is rotten, then all market is hopelessly sick.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
But honestly, when I'm searching CGT for clones, I don't check only in "Jewelry" but in whole 3d-print segment. And results of hunt are mostly in jewelry (sometimes shitsellers trying to hide models in "fashion" or "art" categories)
Posted 3 months ago
3

Wow! Seems like fraudster named "cadholder-1" is also banned by administration. Thanks, CGTrader!!! It's very important!

Posted 3 months ago
2

Same item (same look and file attributes), same seller (ol' "good" Ritaflower) but for now support says that repetitive items is allowed to publication.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/men-s-golden-ring
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-113e6c12-1b51-45d6-9e51-021aa79560f1

marpro wrote
marpro
Does that mean, that I could upload the same model over and over again? For instance, I could upload a ... DragonBall Figure lets say 100 times, so CGTrader must show at least one of it because they are so many? And when i upload each with just one picture, but this picture is with a different material and point of view i would flood the market and nobody would do something against it? Shocking!
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Mapro, I asked the same :) And I got answer: no, we will leave only two of them :) But support also said that forwarded links to this models to investigation team for detailed review. I think, if investigators will conclude mathematical identity of the mesh, at least one of this items will be deleted.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I think if you (or me) will upload the same model with only 1 preview pic (but with different views and/or materials on render), it can be here for years (until sick psycho like me not reported it) :)))))
Posted 3 months ago
4

Again about micheldogary-1 who floods on CGT with hundreds uploads of stolen stuff weekly. I needed feel the shame when I first time called him SHITSELLER? Really???
Compare two fraudsters (dogary and shryas). Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-0d16b7e9-fc76-480f-a628-d1ffddd1207a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr92-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-ffbe5a64-729f-4ffe-97c1-107f4b59ad87
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ribbon-bow-shape-ring-with-diamonds-vjr41-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-a41ad922-472c-42d2-8be6-69fcc8d3a672
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-with-diamonds-vjr25-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-deb2b24b-1927-4200-a24c-c8874148b836
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr28-1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-d125923f-589b-4c1c-8a53-f11ede61984a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr20

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-6261f612-4902-49de-9ae9-ac8ff8687c7f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr18

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-e37bb698-c362-4bda-8e80-76fa1ecd8c82
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/engagement-ring-vjr17

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-5cf481d7-060e-44bc-8186-d3dda98e4b73
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/detailed-ring-vjr13

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/solitaire-92a0f933-76e1-4584-b10d-109b5f09bd84
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-vjr10

Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
It's result of JUST 10 MINUTE SEARCHING AND COMPAIRING. And it's just start, if I had more time, I can found more. Without administrator tools, without SQL queries and other sht... What are doing guys from support-team and CGT-"investigators" during working time? Just suspending reported links except "oldest model"????
Posted 3 months ago
3

Sorry for my emotional words. But I'm sure -- when designer or customer sees on the main page CGTRADER.COM list of "top designers" and on this top is placed THIEF who has NO ONE "legal" model (micheldogary) or cadcart (that is older than dogary, but also sell stolen stuff) (dont want to touch poops called shurik-ryas and jewelry-cadder)... WHAT THINKS CUSTOMER OR DESIGNER??? It's normal place or side-office of cgpeers/cgpersia??? It's really the biggest and the best 3d-model stock/marketplace today???

Posted 3 months ago
marpro wrote
marpro
Is he really banned? His Profile is still online, and he is still 1# of the Top Designers. Oh, and he has exactly 61000 Reputation Points with a Rank of a LEGEND...
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Mapro. Now I see, he is alive but without any content. For the start it's not bad. But I'm afraid, he will start batch bombing again and it will (again) be negatively reflected on views (and sales) of other designers.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
The account was not banned, but all his models are suspended, probably under investigation. Not a victory yet, but a major step towards it. Good work, skapricorn! Good and hard work.
Posted 3 months ago
1

Also in jewelry-cadder store I found items that I seen yesterday in another stores. Evidences is coming soon.

marpro wrote
marpro
The usernames of these guys are kind of funny... "Something with jewelry... ouh its already used..... guess a number after it would be fine!"
Posted 3 months ago
1

Good news from support about placing photos from catalogues instead of model views and renders:


=============================
Justinas (CGTrader)

Dec 19, 16:51 EET
Hello there,

Thank you for contacting us.

We reviewed these models and everything seems to be in place.

Kindly,

Justinas
=====================

So I think it's good idea if I remove all previews from my models and place instead it googled memes.
"Profit!" as said Cartman.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Don't worry, the seller with fake previews will only hurts himself. It's less likely that serious customers would buy the models with dubious previews and no description. It's also should be very easy to ask and get refund if the model significantly differs from the previews. My suggestion, try to focus on providing the best service for your own customers and worry less about shitty sellers, unless they show clear signs of selling illegally aquired assets.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Oh! I don't worrying. Just trollin' a lil' :)))
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
My customers are completely satisfied and grateful. Providing aftersales service for me is standard (at least because I'm selling models I made by myself, not by "big team of designers that are able to produce up to 200 models daily") :-D
Posted 3 months ago
2

Shitseller AminDaJeweler (but copies are also mostly from frauders like shryas, ritaflower, jewelry-cadder etc.):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-diamond-pendant
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-mascot
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/household/other/key-pendent
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/key-pendant-n1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/two-side-key-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-p043

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/islamic-allah-pendant
Copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/mosque-crescent

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/horse-bracelet
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/tj-11-gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/02-hourse-bangle

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/hers-and-his-ring
Copy:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-woman

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panthera-diamong-cartier-ring
Copy:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/panthera-ring-cartier-3d-print-model

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-dd436a77-b7f2-4445-8384-bda0e3936276
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101041
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gold-nefertiti-pendant
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/egyptian-nefertiti-gold-pendant

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-ring-dbe5823d-e52a-420c-8d5a-87eb3747b5a5
Copies:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/pantera-ring-cartier-3d-print-model
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cartier-panther-panthere-6-option-plus-the-original-171

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
But I think, just 7 items is NOT a reason to ban "author" :D
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Respect to administration. Amindajeweler is banned.
Posted 3 months ago
2

Pretty original method of fraud: no model views from any point but few worst photos and photoshoped pictures. No info about any model.

Misleading model description (which photo shows model?) Or it's so advanced hyper-real renders made by very talented visualisator? Or models looking so bad? Or each item contains two different models?

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-61760b70-374b-44ea-88d5-603632653eb0

Another examples:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-a3cf2860-ea4a-4b52-adc3-7cbccb16f0dc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-81a61c15-52b9-4140-ab14-b45d12accbbc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-66809215-9dc0-438d-8321-a2c4f3a08bec
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-2ae20dbb-5bdb-4964-9f3c-1222b7c2aec0
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-aee46c50-ba45-4525-9b9a-55077d0c9515
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-e4e1deb1-fe68-4ec3-baee-6d725aeedfc3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3d-modeling-macys-jewelry-42fa3a38-43c2-4ca1-b20d-fb6fd8aee35c

And so further.

I already reported this seller to administration but they said: "All is right with this models". I don't understand the logic of admins. They don't cares about CGT reputation as 3d-marketplace?

marpro wrote
marpro
the first one makes me laugh!
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
User is suspended. Thanks, CGT.
Posted 3 months ago
2

About jewelry-cadder: today i spent some time to dig into https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=jewelry-cadder and wasn't surprised when found tons of models that were suspended in another fraudulent shops.

For example, bunch of items are the same as in ritaflower shop, etc... I don't had enough patience to make big list. I just reported model by model to support. Circa dozen links just after fast scrolling and I inspected less than third of jewelry-cadder's shop.

https://youtu.be/d4okxow8bNo?t=122

Posted 3 months ago
2

Freshly uploaded copies of numerously present on CGT models.
Most of this models was suspended many times on CGT:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-0d65c235-8922-43d1-84f8-934ce61880d3
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0361e87e-d566-4350-aa34-8d1ffbf5a5d8
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-bf5ef330-6685-4ea5-8660-78eec9b41f49
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-3c138f57-f374-4031-876a-f48571ba5be0
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-5a06d81b-4f12-46c5-951e-62d34c9e8b22
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-d061235c-9b88-412c-8702-c6aa2554af12
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-8dfad6d2-c54c-46e9-a64a-158203356b83
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-3e8ccf01-98d7-40c4-aefa-9e92cc452d6f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-7eafe0d5-fe06-4348-bfa7-b16ed673ea5d
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-panther-954c683c-29fa-4205-8021-08f0d2890edd
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/pendant-16bd3b6b-49bb-4f8a-b1ef-50aff68c94cc
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-b1cc9f88-ff3f-47e9-8c36-f3b99799f356
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/pendant-5478d8eb-e05a-4d0f-83a4-15884e10859a
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-54307324-6527-41d9-b9fc-7259a2f0f33e
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-cf441db9-5fa2-401e-a0e1-0a0cf22d4e94
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-e86e0329-2391-475f-b551-a6ccd6417dc5
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-3039c5a7-4fd1-40b4-ad95-f63a304fbbde
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-369e3244-528c-4865-be81-29220de8c619
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-e7ced3ad-e907-4be5-a47a-d289396d49ed
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-d4f92420-df50-4f96-ab04-8a60dc213d2f
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-c55f00b8-a0ee-4151-af6c-22f37248504c
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/earrings/earrings-a6a52849-2689-45b3-a6e5-a2610037ca9d
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-2a53a279-274c-462c-84f9-53ee76598412
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-4300a3bc-cb82-42bf-8a0c-ed50e2b82e85
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-female-60cb906d-f7ef-4582-ab76-6449d9966e77

Posted 3 months ago
2

New store of "armenian generics" https://www.cgtrader.com/alexsandr22
Link sent to support. But without "prooflinks" to earlier copies. Because "cartier's" are regularly cleaned away from CGT and because last weeks I reported those copies many times.

I'm pretty tired of searching something using buggy CGT user interface, saying after each pair pages "I'm not a robot", and starting searching again because after "INR" "3d-print" attribute in search string disappears... and so further... So if admins needs "solid proofs", let new shitcopyseller still alive and healthy. May be he will upload in future more brilliant items and became new sweet jewelry-cadder, cadcart or shurik :) Pretty profitable way for CGT (number of models, traffic etc).

Posted 3 months ago
2

https://www.cgtrader.com/tomasnikos

Store contains a lot of previously deleted from CGTrader models (from "famous" stores of shurik-ryas, cadcart, ritaflower etc...) But I noticed that many models are dated as 2015.
At least in this store I found again my old models of mushroom and "2006" ring.

For example here is bunch of links to some models that were suspended in another stores or that are still present in other stores.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=tomasnikos&high_poly=1&page=9
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-378
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/cufflinks-004
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/cross-pendant-034
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/golden-pendant-094
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-068
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-402
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-218
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-075
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-220
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/golden-pendant-070
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/golden-pendant-095
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-179
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-222
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-060
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/cross-pendant-018
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-281
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-027
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-119
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-09
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-lion
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-dog
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-217
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-219
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/golden-pendant-071
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/luxurious-ring-119
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-027

And I don't seen this seller before (probably because lots of items were published not in "jewelry" section)
Account looks inactive since 2018, but still selling passively.

Posted 2 months ago
1

My old kitschy spider (few times suspended on CGT in different stores): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/madison-ring :))) I'm sure nobody wants this model (it's too ugly), it's why I never published it.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I'm wrong. It's not clearly "my". It's based on my "spider"-ring (and may be combined from the few "work-in-progress" subversions) Anyway, here is the copy (probably there is non essential difference, but it still look like the same model but slightly changed): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-spider And another one, but here seller at least done some job about remodeling the spider, adding bevels/fillets etc. so I can say it's another model just looking similar to previous: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/signet-ring-spider-on-the-web
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Рекомендую отправить ссылки в техподдержку. (По крайней мере, всё что я публикую в этом топике, я также отправляю в суппорт. Помогают.)
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Azure "Help" button on the side of the screen.
Posted about 2 months ago
1

not much we can do except the reporting Fraudsters day and night, other than that it would be in vain

Posted about 2 months ago
3

New genius is selling thingiverse free scrap: https://www.cgtrader.com/hamid1

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/iranazaditower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:815853

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/guitar-a5d90ba5-f5ab-40d3-8d0d-35da28e0eb11 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:114714

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/miladtower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:351329

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/games-toys/toys/toyconcretemixertruck is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2389770

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/other/eifel is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:15451

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/violin-d6cbf80f-b852-4215-928b-ce1f9d6a67a3 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:515900

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/motorcycle/motorcycle-a3aceb5d-f061-4e91-97b8-7044f407e947 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40687

And so further. I have no time to compare the rest of this sellers items, but I can suppose whole store is illegal.

Posted about 1 month ago
2

I knew since start that user "TRANTUANJEWELRY" is thief. But here is fresh thief called kakom3002

Trantuan 2019: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/1793-neptune-ring
kakom3002 2020: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-finger-ring-abc83c33-e288-449e-97d0-d11b4fa42e0c

Trantuan 2020-02-08 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2249-diamond-dragon-claw-ring
kakom3002 2020-02-20: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/the-dragon-claw-ring

Trantuan: 2020-02-08: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2257-diamond-ring-for-men
kakom3002 2020-02-19: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-gold-rings-4bd3082c-aca8-4652-96c6-69237e350333

etc. I have no time (and I'm not a worker of CGtrader company) to dig deeper into both stores, but there visually is lots of identical models. I hope i'll had time on some other day to found evidences about trantuan, but kikom3002 is definitely evidenced fraudster.

Posted 21 days ago
3

User selling the default elements from the Rhinogold software.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pack-of-28-bails-with-stl-and-3dms-files

Proof: http://help.tdmsolutions.com/rhinogold/5.5/en/index.html?Bail.html

If anybody needs stronger evidences, I can install pirated RhinoGold and extract from it any of this bails in couple of mouse clicks.

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Answer from support team: "Hi there, Our 3D team checked your link and advised that the models uploaded in Rhino software are more like a model creation tool, rather than models in a marketplace, it's quite difficult to decide on how these parameters can be manipulated. From what the 3D saw when checking the models, they have certain differences and there is a possibility that the seller has created the forms himself. For now, we wouldn't be able to remove the model from the marketplace. Thank you for understanding.".............. Not necessary to say "thank you" because i have no understanding.
Posted 21 days ago
2

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-fd1e762a-c009-49e2-b631-218f831b5ec5

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-eacb5c9f-7aee-4573-b0af-930aa5e81ac4
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/panther-ad6bbf21-0c0a-4867-ad61-4b934d2b7eda

Is it the panthers that are periodically suspended on CGT or original ones? It's question not for support but for CGT's "investigation team".

...and I don't tried yet to search over internet another models (figurines and cars) presented in store of "paydi"

Posted 17 days ago
3

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2295-diamond-horse-ring

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2302-set-diamond-bangle-and-ring-horse

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/horse-ring-c2a7a508-b141-4044-9064-cfffec195639

Older models:
2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/gold-bangle-with-diamond-horse

2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring

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And I know they will suspend "newer models" again without any serious consequences for scamsellers.
Couple weeks ago I noticed CGT support about the fact that https://www.cgtrader.com/nguyenhuunhansea has lots of iterferring items with trantuan. Also I reported this horses (or copies) before. Without any effect. About nguen support replied their standard bullshit like "show us examples". But sorry, guys and ladies, are you working only for monthly salary? Why I must to dig this shit comparing hundreds and thousands models for done job that must be done by support or by mythic "investigation team" (I don't believe this team exists)..? I don't want to be polite. And I'll not apologize, because people not doing things that they MUST to do because it's their PAID JOB are doing nothing.

Posted 15 days ago
2

Same user, same item, two different prices.

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/necklaces/necklaces-67b2fe08-06bc-4850-967a-f76d129a670f

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/angel-medal

Very similar model from another user: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-with-stones

Another notice: on the roza-jewelry's pictures angel on the first photo isn't the same as on the further renders and screenshots in the same description.

Posted 10 days ago
3

One more typical armenian shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22

I don't reported nothing this time to support team.
And I hope it's my last post in this thread (thread I started... hehehehe).

Summary: few fraudsters was suspended (some of them came to CGT again under new nicknames), lots of models was suspended. Sometimes I had illusion about effectiveness of this "fight". But now, looking at statistics, i want to say:

with so PASSIVE administration, that cares only about reaching more models to their marketplace and don't cares about model quality, content quality, legality etc..., attempts to fight against fraudsters, scammers and pirates are worthless. Suspending models one by one is like trying to heal cancer with aspirin.

I wasted too much time trying to "find evidences". I had to spend this time to creative or more useful things or jobs, but... Hope died.

Last days I see again new uploads of different "authors" that are looking like I already seen that shit many times here on CGT. May be it's just my "deformation of mind" (but I don't think so).

Hope died. Pirates won.

...And fuck the "fair play". CGtrader this days is just buggy trashyard with everyday technical issues and without any hope to survive selling models.

Good luck.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
It's sad, but true, fight with thieves on cgtrader, feels like Don Quixote's fight against windmills :[
Posted 4 days ago
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This days CGT published the article with pink oinks about "WE REACHED 1M MODELS!!!", with brilliant infographics etc.

So what we see there: jewelry models shares almost 20% of all CGT models. How and why? Is 3d printable jewelry so popular?
And how CGT reached those numbers for this fake statistic? How many copies and clones are present among all published models? And administrations does nothing to find clones, fakes, scam. But dumb marketing employees are sending spam trying to promote stupid SALE OFF (WWWEEEEEE!!!! HOORRRRRRRAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!) And this infographics and published statistics worths NOTHING. It's just meaningless pictures intended for fake business presentation to "investors", "partners" and "shareholders".

For example: today on the top of the "Top designers" in last 7 days became TOMASNIKOS (about +9K of reputation during last week due to 476 uploaded models in last 7 days). "Top" status was reached only due to NUMBER of uploaded models (with the lack of information etc...)

What I see looking to tomasnikos store? https://www.cgtrader.com/tomasnikos
The same old familiar shit, the same heap of models that were suspended many times in other stores (shurik-ryas, ritaflover, numerous armenian "designers" ets). Some of the models are in High-Poly category, some of other items placed in Jewelry category... OK. Going further, opening this set: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/500-stl-files-ready-for-print On the screenshots are shown some item codes. Let's googling by these codes. Result: british online store called https://www.angelicdiamonds.com/ whole collection. ETC.

Again. I don't want to piss in the wind and report this "Top Designer" to administration. I'm sure, admins and supports are not blind. If they are not completely retarded or blind, they MUST to see what this is: repeats, copies, familiar stuff... And they are doing NOTHING until somebody don't reported those shit officially and don't provided "evidences".

One fair designer in private conversation said very right words: "I'm glad that i never got interested in jewelry design and modelling - seeing that 1/5th of the marketplace is concentrated in hands of dozen sellers with questionable reputation, would make me want to cry." All I can add to this: not 1/5th of the market place, but significantly more in the fact. Who is the SUPERHERO? Answer FUTAO. What offers FUTAO? The same shit: 100K of useless low quality JCAD/JCD models of jewelry priced lower than pint of the beer... So 10% from 1M of all published models "belongs" to just ONE person. Competitive? Overcrowded market? :))))

My recommendation to other authors/designers/sellers: don't trust in CGT statistics because it worth not more than all modern "fake news" like RussiaToday or FOX channel :))))))

Posted 4 days ago
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Another hero of the week: https://www.cgtrader.com/atjanur22
Reported to administration MANY TIMES. Feels strong and healthy with all hilarious fakes and copies. +4500 reputation due to 240 uploads in the last week. What's this content? The same traditional range of "armenian" jewelry: panthers, tiffanies, nails etc... Some of thumbnails looks very very familiar (for example "Spartak" ring were placed befor in "anush" and her clones stores).

Also: not reported to administration. I don't want to report it. Because result will be NOTHING.

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