What to do with frauders?
They are here for long time.
Cadcart, micheldogary-, shurik-ryas, perhaps grivajewel and cadholder-1 and lots of others people that uploading hundreds of items per day. And usually this models are very suspicious. They have a lot of same (or very similar models), don't have normal info about item, they declaring 3DM format, but instead of it are just wrapping STL into 3DM file etc etc etc. Most of all this stuff was collected on internet for free, or just used Matrix/Rhinogold (or similar) samples and library elements. And this "free" stuff was leaked from 3d-printing service studios (stolen by managers, printer operators etc...)
Does CGtrader have any ideas what to do with this people?
I know, CGT have profit from each sale and money doesn't smell. But what about reputation and what about real modelers and designers who are harmed by these "sellers"?
And speaking about other suspicious "designers": Here is description from the page of one (newcomer who selling Jcad stuff for 3$ per model): ___<<
We are trying to provide lots of perfect jewelry 3d file for your
production, we have our own design team, create hundreds models per
month, and we keep providing high-quality jewelry cad 3d file for you.
Thousands of designs will be uploaded every month, pls keep follow us
for new arrival designs.>>___ Brilliant! They have HUNDREDS of slaves who making models to throw it in internet for free. (And I'm even not talking about Jcad niche "quality").
If you have evidence of stolen assets being sold, then provide them to support and illegall content or even whole accounts will be removed. Otherwise, i would restrain myself from calling other sellers as frauders or scammers without solid evidence, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.
@skapricorn, i just write you PM.
So, what you said makes me wonder, so I looked at some of these models, especially the models of michaeldogarry-1 because he is the #1 on the list "TopDesigners".
And besides these models may or may not be stolen, what I found kind of suspicious is the FACT that every single model he uploaded he just has 1 to 5 different pictures BUT 30 to 100 times uploaded!!!
That doesn't seem to be a problem at first but remember: more pictures = higher publishing score for your model = better ranking in search.
So again the models may or may not be stolen but he definitely don't "play fair".
I tried the same to test it so I uploaded the exact same amount of models, same format, copied his description, copied the tags.
With just 1 Picture the Score is about 4.2 but with 50 Pictures which are all the exact same one:
Lady and gentleman hold your beer: the score is 8.0!
That's a howl new league!
Same for free on Thingiverse (published as far in 2013):
Another evidences? Just look at real author's site ( http://noktamodel.com/index.php ) author's name is Burak Yalcin.
All this stuff is selling by multiple "authors" (such as cadcart, shurik-ryas and others) for a very long time. And CGtrader is literally flooded by this stuff.
As modeler I can say: almost all of those copies looks not like remodeled, reverce-engineered or retopo'ed but like absolutely same models stolen many years ago and downloaded from "shadow zone". For example: https://vk.com/albums-57934042 or https://vk.com/album-57934042_248226332 there are "sales", but in real isn't complicated to ask there somebody about free copy. "Companies" like 3dwax.ru and 3drings.ru are pretty "famous" between illegal stuff searchers and sellers.
One more stolen model:
Proof? I have all project files. Because it was modeled by me. As far in year 2010. I provided to administration ZIP with this files. Let admins looks at file attributes and properties.
One more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-ring-with-emerald-8acb1cb4-edcf-473b-805d-14061b08c54a
And the same model I seen in some "top sellers" stores. This model was also modeled by me on demand of my customer many years ago. I never published it because it was made UGLY (i don't like to place stones this way) by the will of client. And because it contains datum: 2006/28/04 (who needs others memories????)))))))) Admins needs proofs??? OK! Archive with source project attributed way older than 2017 (2010, but model was produced earlier) is on my HDD and copy is in cloud.
And because topic about sellers selling stolen and leaked models for 3d printing is not as interesting for people on CGT, i will say pair words on my native language:
Для того, чтобы из магазина продавца shurik-ryas были удалены несколько моих моделей, понадобился целый день практически бессмысленного пинг-понга по и-мэйлу с технической поддержкой CGT. И я не уверен, что эти модели были удалены по моей просьбе, потому что ссылки на них перестали работеть только после того, как я поделился ими с одним из пользователей, котоырй официально отношения к администрации не имеет. Все остальные ссылки, которые я отправлял в хелпдеск остаются без реакции и без ответа. Выходит, что вторая в мире по величине и объёму трафика биржа 3d-моделей не настолько велика по своим деяниям. Возникают подозрения, что некоторые люди в администрации CGT как-то связаны с некоторыми нечистыми на руку продавцами-"пылесосами". Сложилось впечатление, что ситуация, когда нечистые совестью продавцы торгуют краденными, слитыми из принт-сервисов и мастерских или собранными по пиратским пабликам на вконтакте моделями, ничуть не беспокоит CGT, либо же CGT намеренно выбрал такой путь с целью иметь в обороте много тысяч моделей, с которых всё-таки можно имметь какой-то процент. С точки зрения цели получения выгоды CGT можно понять. Этически -- нет. Абсолютно непроверенные и не проверяемые никем, топ-"дизайнеры" продолжают заливать тонны несвоих моделей на площадку, подстёгивая клиентов, стремящихся получить большее за меньшие деньги или бесплатно (это нормально, это естественно, это природа человека). Меж тем, честным дизайнерам и модельерам остаётся только уяснить для самих себя: своим трудом деньги не заработаешь, за свой
Two different sellers. The same model. Not only visually but also in description: estimated weight and dimensions are the same for all 3 models.
One smaller shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-256-b944f14d-4305-4407-87bd-12bc4849290c sells stolen model.
One example how works CGT.
I needed pretty long time to prepare and to upload new item https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-rings-with-inner-ornament I finished uploading and placed the model at ca 14-00 CET. Now is 17-10 CET and view of jewelry on CGT (sorted as "Newest") shows that only few users added new models. But my model is deep in butthole (~80th). 90% of today model flood made by cadcart via "batch uploading". Me and other authors have any chance to bee seen by buyers? (Answer is NO).
Also today shitseller CadHolder1 added again same old copy of StGeorge ring (yesterday it was suspended after my reports) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/fancy-ring-dfa64f13-acff-48cf-b735-1622ba94190c
I don't know what administration is doing. Seems like they are too busy to control what users are uploading :))
Same identical shit from the same shitsellers (ritaflower and cadcart)
And summarizing my last days activity I can say Thanks to CGT administration for suspending some models. But most of links still alive.
I don't want to dig all this shit deeper and to pee against the wind.
I noticed one more thing: last days I uploaded just 1 model, sold nothing ("black friday" is only for "top's"... not for dorks like me ), but gained lots of reputation points only because I played role of insane shitcrawler here on forum. I think it's absolutely wrong thing. I woul'd be much happier if I gained only half of quarter of this points not via flood but via publishing and sales. Life is life.
I can conclude that my "fight against thieves" is failed. Fraudsters on CGT (as on the rest of Internet) will win every time and forever. Amen. Thanks.
(Better I'll go to unload cars on the railway because it's easier and much better paid job).
This problem was neglected for far too long and reached extreme levels in the last 2-3years.
All 3D marketplaces must realize that this can no longer continue and measures should be taken now.
We may disagree on the methods, but I think we all agree this is a very serious issue which discourages all honest Artists here.
One more newcomer that needs to be inspected. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=tyraell (if not the same then very very similar stuff is numerously presented by other "authors", I posted links to this designs in this thread before)
Infamous shurik-ryas: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101165
Original from thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40212
Another "masterwork" from shurik-ryas https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101218
Source: http://medelis.se/3D%20models/Medelis%203D/BabyGroot.stl (available for free download)
Anothers models from Medelis: https://medelis.se/store.html
At this moment none of persons who multiple times tried to sell (and sold) stolen or free models as "own" works still not punished and still uploading shit again.
For example: sorting "jewelry" every morning with sorting "newest" models I still finding every time freshly uploaded "saint george ring " models and other old stuff.
This whole thread makes me depressive.
It is so unfair to see that many guys who get so much money, with apparently stolen models, while you have to be happy about every single sale.
The haul after today's morning coffee (already reported to administration as usually):
"Versace" gorgona clones
Older (also stolen stuff, but I don't found evidences yet)
Set that has interfering models (from Cadholder1): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d
Were deleted/suspended after my report, but Cadholder1 uploaded it again:
"templar" signet ring
Another ring from the same collection:
Why CGT employees can not just input on server some SQL-query to find and filter models from different sellers that have identical attributes (file extension, checksum and file size). During my "birdwatching" i noticed lot of times that most of fraudsters are selling the same FILES with common size and extension.
(I don't pretending to anything, but it's really pretty hard: doing for free job of paid employees using only regular and buggy search tools of CGT... I'm interpreting my actions as investment to my and other fair designers better chances to be viewed and sold. But my mental health isn't rock-solid:)))))))) )
Example of identical file attributes (both from cadcart):
The same renders, the same files: Rhino 3DM 67.6 MB
I suppose cadcart don't knows he/she sells not only scam but has duplicates in own store :))))
They are in London but working more cynically than russians (comparing with russian Ritaflower or shurik-ryas (ok, shurik is from Donbass-dumbass and now living in Lithuania or Latvia, but it's "russian world")). HILARIOUS!!!!
Still not "solved" (copy as usually sent to tech.support)
Still not "solved" (but were reported days ago).
And I'm not tired of repeating: none of numerously compromised shitsellers (cadcart, shurik-ryas, cadholder-1, jewelry-cadder and so on) was punished.
CGtrader looks not like a legal stock but more like pirates sandbox.
My free model (It's even not a replica because it looks far from original, I modeled it 12-14 years ago for lazy customer): https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/spring-shaped-cheap-design-free-wedding-rings
Shitseller from Armenia sells it (as usually even preview renders were not changed): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/bvlgari-diamond-ring-3b305853-f5ea-46bd-a01b-5877a7e2be7f
I reported this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
and this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=cartier
to Cartier official.
I know that this action will affect some of my models as well. But I'm ready to remove replicas from my store (I'm making replicas, but this isn't my the most favorite activity, I like do my own designs and profit from some my designs is not worst than profit from replicas...)
Earlier model in another store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-man-1
Earlier model from other "author" (but this is 100% also stolen): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/beautiful-mens-bracelet
In description just 1 stl file and 2 pictures with completely different items. This is scam-model.
(90% of printable lions heads on CGT have suspicious origins)
Two shitsellers... cadcart and dsakaria 16
Same model, same seller, but techically different views on the render and different files attributes. It's example of all dumbness of "Batch upload" system.
I'm ABSOLUTELY sure: micheldogary-1 is fraudster. And sooner or later I'll find the evidences.
Gotcha!!! "First swallow" for micheldogary-1 (and unpunished bastard shurik-ryas):
I got message from administration team. They said they banned one fraudster because they found lots of stolen models in his store. I don't understood who it was. Perhaps it was some small shitseller. Big fishes (cadcart, shurik-ryas, jewelry-cadder etc. are still untouchable, but I hope, justice will hit them sooner or later)
Anyway it's very significant event for 3d-print model sellers community.
Aren't those Jizzies the same (difference only in small details. And another notice: first picture in anush555's model description shows absolutely another cross than is shown on the others)
I remember the base mesh of this dragon floating on internet at least since 2003-2004. Perhaps, to be the "author" just adding of some hilarious celtic bail or ring shank needed.
More lions. Some of them may be slightly different, but here is repetitive stuff (check is needed):
In this pack placed one of the heads from the rest list: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/lion-heads-50-pcs-pack
Wow! Seems like fraudster named "cadholder-1" is also banned by administration. Thanks, CGTrader!!! It's very important!
Same item (same look and file attributes), same seller (ol' "good" Ritaflower) but for now support says that repetitive items is allowed to publication.
Again about micheldogary-1 who floods on CGT with hundreds uploads of stolen stuff weekly. I needed feel the shame when I first time called him SHITSELLER? Really???
Compare two fraudsters (dogary and shryas). Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel
Some items also were found in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=vyt-jewel
Sorry for my emotional words. But I'm sure -- when designer or customer sees on the main page CGTRADER.COM list of "top designers" and on this top is placed THIEF who has NO ONE "legal" model (micheldogary) or cadcart (that is older than dogary, but also sell stolen stuff) (dont want to touch poops called shurik-ryas and jewelry-cadder)... WHAT THINKS CUSTOMER OR DESIGNER??? It's normal place or side-office of cgpeers/cgpersia??? It's really the biggest and the best 3d-model stock/marketplace today???
1st breaking news: micheldogary-1 is BANNED.
Second: I sent yesterday list of the links to compare models in micheldogary and shurik-ryas stores.
The same collection is on sale in jewelry-cadder store (here is just few items. In the j-cadder's store placed more, but I think it's job for official CGT investigators).
Another example (comparing shryas and cadcart). Dunno' is it reason for opening new support-ticket or not. Yes, I know, those rings can model every junior 3d-modeler and it demands not more than 5 minutes. But I suppose, it's not different items, but the same (some text is different), and if shapes will be compared, deviation would be in model tolerance values.
Also in jewelry-cadder store I found items that I seen yesterday in another stores. Evidences is coming soon.
Both sellers selling identical models.
Here is just a few links. Wouldn't be bad if CGT team compared both sellers stores (grivajewel and jewelry-cadder). Also perhaps those models are selling by others (who have suspiciously big amount of models)
One of "infamous" lions appeared in one typically armenian shop again:
Example of "typically armenian" is here: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=anush555
Or here: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
... on CGtrader lives bunch of them. :) (Without any doubts they are extremely talented people)
Bunch of very similar models:
Clones or slightly retouched copies.
The same head is in this set: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/versace-pendants-9a5a2f6a-9177-48db-9380-5e5d4b417512
The very FAT one:
this model is from standard Jewelcad Pro 2.2.3 (and from earlier versions too) bundle database
There is much more. I don't see any sense to dig it deeper. Seller with more than 100000 models is suspicious "a priori".
I found and downloaded one of Jewelcad versions (forgive me god))))))) specially to use it for comparing.
OH! Forgot the link to "antihero". More than 100000 (HUNDERED THOUSANDS) models priced cheaper than burger.
May be I'm wrong???
New little hero of the day:
no single view of model nor rendered picture in whole store. Don't want to say about "fraudulency" of this user (he even not gave enough info in description).
Can I also publish photos of cheap jewelry from cheap catalogues as only previews of my models?
Good news from support about placing photos from catalogues instead of model views and renders:
Dec 19, 16:51 EET
Thank you for contacting us.
We reviewed these models and everything seems to be in place.
So I think it's good idea if I remove all previews from my models and place instead it googled memes.
"Profit!" as said Cartman.
Shitseller AminDaJeweler (but copies are also mostly from frauders like shryas, ritaflower, jewelry-cadder etc.):
Repeating (CGT-wide) model:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/body-ring (and whole 3d-print models store of this user looks like a bunch of stolen stuff)
Some of links are from previous posts and still alive (perhaps because it's weekend and admins are sleeping).
Older modeel (perhaps original) from Clayguy:
Also from this "author" (https://www.cgtrader.com/hovvv) reported 2 copies of cartier's rings (were numerously suspended in other stores during last days)
Pretty original method of fraud: no model views from any point but few worst photos and photoshoped pictures. No info about any model.
Misleading model description (which photo shows model?) Or it's so advanced hyper-real renders made by very talented visualisator? Or models looking so bad? Or each item contains two different models?
And so further.
I already reported this seller to administration but they said: "All is right with this models". I don't understand the logic of admins. They don't cares about CGT reputation as 3d-marketplace?
Is this misleading or not?
(both sellers are suspicious... at least I already noticed it few times about grivajewel)
New blockbuster "Unsuspendable cats":
Last days this stuff was suspended in the same store https://www.cgtrader.com/hovvv ...and appeared again :))))
(Here is link to an original model from Clayguy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-head-2-versions )
About jewelry-cadder: today i spent some time to dig into https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?author=jewelry-cadder and wasn't surprised when found tons of models that were suspended in another fraudulent shops.
For example, bunch of items are the same as in ritaflower shop, etc... I don't had enough patience to make big list. I just reported model by model to support. Circa dozen links just after fast scrolling and I inspected less than third of jewelry-cadder's shop.
Happy "new" bear:
Astrologers proclaim the week of Octopus.
Freshly uploaded copies of numerously present on CGT models.
Most of this models was suspended many times on CGT:
New store of "armenian generics" https://www.cgtrader.com/alexsandr22
Link sent to support. But without "prooflinks" to earlier copies. Because "cartier's" are regularly cleaned away from CGT and because last weeks I reported those copies many times.
I'm pretty tired of searching something using buggy CGT user interface, saying after each pair pages "I'm not a robot", and starting searching again because after "INR" "3d-print" attribute in search string disappears... and so further... So if admins needs "solid proofs", let new shitcopyseller still alive and healthy. May be he will upload in future more brilliant items and became new sweet jewelry-cadder, cadcart or shurik :) Pretty profitable way for CGT (number of models, traffic etc).
Each of those models was many times suspended on CGT in many "designers" stores.
Store contains a lot of previously deleted from CGTrader models (from "famous" stores of shurik-ryas, cadcart, ritaflower etc...) But I noticed that many models are dated as 2015.
At least in this store I found again my old models of mushroom and "2006" ring.
For example here is bunch of links to some models that were suspended in another stores or that are still present in other stores.
And I don't seen this seller before (probably because lots of items were published not in "jewelry" section)
Account looks inactive since 2018, but still selling passively.
head is from here (but after automatic mesh reducing): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/tj-19-gold-versace-for-ring-pendent-bracelet-earing-3d-print-mod
lion head is from this models: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/king-lion-ring
This ring was on internet before the internet was born:
My old kitschy spider (few times suspended on CGT in different stores): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/madison-ring :))) I'm sure nobody wants this model (it's too ugly), it's why I never published it.
Here is another "smartest"
1. The same "pantera" as was many times suspended on CGT
2. Jesus for this ring https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/jesus-ring-3d-print-model is from this model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-head-2-versions
Banned "anush555" returned as "anush5555" with the same "gray" models https://www.cgtrader.com/anush5555
Items https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-ring-31141783-e914-4e69-9829-4ab5fc2a6b6a and https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/versace-medusa-band-ring
Was used this medusa published earlier (from another seller): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/185-medusa
New user (?) sells the same pirated models as many other before: 'panthera's', "cartier's", "bulgari's", ligher ring etc.
not much we can do except the reporting Fraudsters day and night, other than that it would be in vain
Known "suspicious" item: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/love-cartier-bracelet-551c49f1-7aa4-43e2-9c07-6d3e72fcb55b
Other very similar: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/chinese-turtle-statue (with rotated bolt heads)
The same panther ring: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/puma-ring
....the whole shop of anahitman contains lots of different models that were seen many times on CGT. The user reviews are talking enough about the quality of models and service.
New genius is selling thingiverse free scrap: https://www.cgtrader.com/hamid1
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/iranazaditower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:815853
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/guitar-a5d90ba5-f5ab-40d3-8d0d-35da28e0eb11 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:114714
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/signs-logos/miladtower is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:351329
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/games-toys/toys/toyconcretemixertruck is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2389770
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/other/eifel is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:15451
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/violin-d6cbf80f-b852-4215-928b-ce1f9d6a67a3 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:515900
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/motorcycle/motorcycle-a3aceb5d-f061-4e91-97b8-7044f407e947 is https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40687
And so further. I have no time to compare the rest of this sellers items, but I can suppose whole store is illegal.
User need to be compared with old known scam-sellers.
At least those models were sold by different sellers and some of those models are periodically suspended by CGT administration:
Looks like duplicated:
at least number of gems, prongs placement and humans on the top are the same.
Another duplicated item:
Store of fakes and copies: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=anabeljewelry
Old good panthers and carrera's couples:
This user (Anna-Anush-Anait) is stronger than herpes virus. She is coming every time after be banned with the same illegal models again and again.
...don't speaking about the fact this cats head is routinely suspended on CGtrader and was suspended billion times before.
I knew since start that user "TRANTUANJEWELRY" is thief. But here is fresh thief called kakom3002
Trantuan 2019: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/1793-neptune-ring
kakom3002 2020: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-finger-ring-abc83c33-e288-449e-97d0-d11b4fa42e0c
Trantuan 2020-02-08 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2249-diamond-dragon-claw-ring
kakom3002 2020-02-20: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/the-dragon-claw-ring
Trantuan: 2020-02-08: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/2257-diamond-ring-for-men
kakom3002 2020-02-19: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-gold-rings-4bd3082c-aca8-4652-96c6-69237e350333
etc. I have no time (and I'm not a worker of CGtrader company) to dig deeper into both stores, but there visually is lots of identical models. I hope i'll had time on some other day to found evidences about trantuan, but kikom3002 is definitely evidenced fraudster.
Fresh newcomer is selling "Noktamodel" stuff as many others before.
Also "noktamodel" jewelry as seen many times in other sellers stores
User selling the default elements from the Rhinogold software.
If anybody needs stronger evidences, I can install pirated RhinoGold and extract from it any of this bails in couple of mouse clicks.
Is it the panthers that are periodically suspended on CGT or original ones? It's question not for support but for CGT's "investigation team".
...and I don't tried yet to search over internet another models (figurines and cars) presented in store of "paydi"
Thief stole stuff from thieves. I guess shitty heritage of 3dwax.ru will spoil 3d-markets for many many years...
Request to CGT support was sent.
And I know they will suspend "newer models" again without any serious consequences for scamsellers.
Couple weeks ago I noticed CGT support about the fact that https://www.cgtrader.com/nguyenhuunhansea has lots of iterferring items with trantuan. Also I reported this horses (or copies) before. Without any effect. About nguen support replied their standard bullshit like "show us examples". But sorry, guys and ladies, are you working only for monthly salary? Why I must to dig this shit comparing hundreds and thousands models for done job that must be done by support or by mythic "investigation team" (I don't believe this team exists)..? I don't want to be polite. And I'll not apologize, because people not doing things that they MUST to do because it's their PAID JOB are doing nothing.
Fresh couple of "panthere" from trantuan:
Different sellers, different models, but the same medusa head element:
Same user, same item, two different prices.
Very similar model from another user: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-with-stones
Another notice: on the roza-jewelry's pictures angel on the first photo isn't the same as on the further renders and screenshots in the same description.
Tiger? Panther? Lion? Cat? Bobcat? Lynx? Puma? Leopard? Jaguar? Serval? Caracal? Ocelot?...
One more typical armenian shitseller: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=atjanur22
I don't reported nothing this time to support team.
And I hope it's my last post in this thread (thread I started... hehehehe).
Summary: few fraudsters was suspended (some of them came to CGT again under new nicknames), lots of models was suspended. Sometimes I had illusion about effectiveness of this "fight". But now, looking at statistics, i want to say:
with so PASSIVE administration, that cares only about reaching more models to their marketplace and don't cares about model quality, content quality, legality etc..., attempts to fight against fraudsters, scammers and pirates are worthless. Suspending models one by one is like trying to heal cancer with aspirin.
I wasted too much time trying to "find evidences". I had to spend this time to creative or more useful things or jobs, but... Hope died.
Last days I see again new uploads of different "authors" that are looking like I already seen that shit many times here on CGT. May be it's just my "deformation of mind" (but I don't think so).
Hope died. Pirates won.
...And fuck the "fair play". CGtrader this days is just buggy trashyard with everyday technical issues and without any hope to survive selling models.
This days CGT published the article with pink oinks about "WE REACHED 1M MODELS!!!", with brilliant infographics etc.
So what we see there: jewelry models shares almost 20% of all CGT models. How and why? Is 3d printable jewelry so popular?
And how CGT reached those numbers for this fake statistic? How many copies and clones are present among all published models? And administrations does nothing to find clones, fakes, scam. But dumb marketing employees are sending spam trying to promote stupid SALE OFF (WWWEEEEEE!!!! HOORRRRRRRAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!) And this infographics and published statistics worths NOTHING. It's just meaningless pictures intended for fake business presentation to "investors", "partners" and "shareholders".
For example: today on the top of the "Top designers" in last 7 days became TOMASNIKOS (about +9K of reputation during last week due to 476 uploaded models in last 7 days). "Top" status was reached only due to NUMBER of uploaded models (with the lack of information etc...)
What I see looking to tomasnikos store? https://www.cgtrader.com/tomasnikos
The same old familiar shit, the same heap of models that were suspended many times in other stores (shurik-ryas, ritaflover, numerous armenian "designers" ets). Some of the models are in High-Poly category, some of other items placed in Jewelry category... OK. Going further, opening this set: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/500-stl-files-ready-for-print On the screenshots are shown some item codes. Let's googling by these codes. Result: british online store called https://www.angelicdiamonds.com/ whole collection. ETC.
Again. I don't want to piss in the wind and report this "Top Designer" to administration. I'm sure, admins and supports are not blind. If they are not completely retarded or blind, they MUST to see what this is: repeats, copies, familiar stuff... And they are doing NOTHING until somebody don't reported those shit officially and don't provided "evidences".
One fair designer in private conversation said very right words: "I'm glad that i never got interested in jewelry design and modelling - seeing that 1/5th of the marketplace is concentrated in hands of dozen sellers with questionable reputation, would make me want to cry." All I can add to this: not 1/5th of the market place, but significantly more in the fact. Who is the SUPERHERO? Answer FUTAO. What offers FUTAO? The same shit: 100K of useless low quality JCAD/JCD models of jewelry priced lower than pint of the beer... So 10% from 1M of all published models "belongs" to just ONE person. Competitive? Overcrowded market? :))))
My recommendation to other authors/designers/sellers: don't trust in CGT statistics because it worth not more than all modern "fake news" like RussiaToday or FOX channel :))))))
Another hero of the week: https://www.cgtrader.com/atjanur22
Reported to administration MANY TIMES. Feels strong and healthy with all hilarious fakes and copies. +4500 reputation due to 240 uploads in the last week. What's this content? The same traditional range of "armenian" jewelry: panthers, tiffanies, nails etc... Some of thumbnails looks very very familiar (for example "Spartak" ring were placed befor in "anush" and her clones stores).
Also: not reported to administration. I don't want to report it. Because result will be NOTHING.
Smart as fuck huhnnguen was repprted few times. Administration is done NOTHING. And as result this skunk is bombing and bombing CGT with cheap copies. But this is a cheap copy of FREE model:
Uploaded by cuntnghuyen: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/3d-bracelets-jewelry-3d-3d-finger-ring-ced285ae-ddd1-4541-ad2e-621409c7e217
Free original model (original, because it was modeled by me from reference photos and sketches made on toolet paper: https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/spring-shaped-cheap-design-free-wedding-rings
Two "different" sellers. Uploaded in the same moment the same model withe the same identical pictures and copy-pasted description (ticket is already sent to support)
Notice: both of sellers are fraudsters (or it's the same person with two different accounts on CGT???)
Two "different" stores for comparing:
and in the same moment uploaded another copy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cow-ring-b7468099-0016-47a9-900f-773a11ffec90
And both of copies are pirated (the same bull as on shurik-ryas avatar and the same item were many times suspended on CGT)
And another item copies uploaded in the same moment by the same seller(s):
Summary for today (21/05/2020): HZniloom and roza-jewelry both reported to CGT support with THREE cases of synchronous uploading of the same pirated models. Also both stores were reported because there placed lots of identical models. CGT support team still silent and take no action (first report was sent today's early morning...) ...so the strategy of CGtraqder's team is very clear: they don't fighting against piracy but only takes fake actions around foggy "laws" like suspending "weapons" and taking similar decorative steps.
S.O.S. (same old shit):
each of 5 models available at 9:46PM 2020/05/17 is pirated.
Duplicates were posted by the same couple (roza-jewelry and HZ-NilooM) again. Simultaneously.
The sellers are the same: roza-jewelry and hz-niloom
Duplicates and simultaneous upload:
Original item was many times pirated and suspended after my requests
Another pair (and also simultaneous upload):
Duplicates were simultaneously uploaded: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/set-ring66-5981381b-6496-485a-8c0a-9f04386b1bc2
Sellers are the same as in previous reports (roza-jewelry and hz-niloom)
roza and HZ
Duplicates (and simultaneous upload again)
That is pathetic - the same sellers are caught to be selling stolen items time and time again and all cgtrader does, is removing reported assets, but does absolutely nothing to the sellers themselves. Is there any point in this?
@skapricorn, that's even worse - if sellers have been warned and they continue to commit the same fraud, that should be followed with immediate ban. Otherwise cgtrader just shows that they have no authority in their own marketplace. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.
Unfortunately the 3d markets are still like the wild west regarding law.. maybe even worse.
Even stock image sites are light areas ahead in this regard.
Support suspended FEW models I reported before (few days after I reported them...) and said me again this standard bullshit about "we will investigate..."
Here is copy of my last reply in conversation with support (and few links to cloned stuff I don't reported before):
Thanks for "doing" your job. But I see NO results. Both accounts still have duplicated items and still uploading duplicates. Every day.
I see the cloned models that I reported days and weeks ago. That's not reuploaded items. That's the same models...
And another duplicates I find in both stores after simple searching (I asked your team to compare content that both fraudsters are selling few weeks ago. And now I see: CGT is done nothing except suspending of few models I reported).
Your "team" gives no reasons to respect.
And in another topic https://www.cgtrader.com/forum/general-discussions/it-is-a-shame-3d-model-thieves-on-cgtrader user Tecna leaved completely right comment about why CGT don't realy fights with pirates/fraudsters/cheaters.
While I typed reply to support roza+HZ added again the same pirated "piano" ring that already were suspended those days :))))
Today's from "romanroman" (old thief, but CGT wants "evidences"): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/jesus-with-diamonds-pendant-n3
Good known and popular (and high quality) model of clayguy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/jesus-cross-a9623e9e-8877-4ede-9468-20f827fb287b
I informed clayguy about it. And not reported romanroman's item (let clayguy does it)...
About romanroman: this pukeeater has LOTS of pirated items. But CGT's approach gives no hope to suspend his account. Old models are "untouchable". But at least new uploads shows who he is...
Very sad situation... Theme about stolen models sales became popular again. I see new threads on the forum every day... And what does CGT???
To previous link (copy of my request/report to CGT support team):
Whole shop of pirated models.
Examples: https://www.cgtrader.com/forum/selling-buying-3d-models/what-to-do-with-frauders vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3108035
another: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/angel-sculpture-d1d55e05-cab4-4d5a-a59d-be89bd067296 vs https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-angel-sculpture-statue-3d-scan-59361
more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/rooster-photogrammetry vs https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/rooster-gallo-fotogrametria
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/eagle-sculpture-a4d79399-75fb-417b-bff4-f3f95af7b14b vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:757506
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/sculptures/owl-sculpture-3d-scan vs https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2002824
every day the same thing)
New catch. Non-jewelry :)
Is it legal at all?
1. More than 200 models were uploaded last 2 days. I know, it's "legal", but suspicious.
2. Each weapon model contains all parts. So anybody who buys this can use it as reference for producing real gun. I know. between 3d-max model and true CAD model is very very wide gap, but when "decorative" (non-CAD) 3d model contains all needed parts at least visually, it helps to rework it as normal CAD assembly without special hassle.
3. Another suspicious thing from "asian" user with japanese nickname: For example, this model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/gun/zis-3-weapon-3d-model-with-animations contains parts that has partially russian ID/names. And this https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/gun/mosin-nagant-weapon-3d-model-with-animations -- also.... Perhaps russian language is very popular in China and Japan and lots of chinese/japanese knows Russian and uses it during modeling to call parts with russian names...
4. I'm not as good in detecting non-jewelry piracy, I'm not animator/game modeler/generalyst... But seems like internet is full of identically looking models (and some of those models has more reasonable bigger price that reflects how much designer invested into his job)... For example, on CGT is present some older model (as far from 2014) of similar ZiS-3 gun, but I can't say is it the same mesh or not. It's job for CGT employees.
Anyway it's the job for mythic CGT's "investigation team". I sent request to support (of course only with question about legality of detailed weapons assemblies)
Banned week ago "roza-jewelry" returned to CGT as "rozaza" with the same illegal content. (report sent to CGT support team)
Is it the same model or just two similar but different? (I'm sure -- the SAME)
I reported this model many times on CGT. It was uploaded by MANY different "sellers" and it's the same base model (except the gems) as still used as userpic by old and unpunished pirate shurik-ryas https://www.cgtrader.com/shurik-ryas
Same "ye olde good cat", same "designer", same day. And this dirtbag posted this panther day ado, two days ago, three days ago... He's uploading it every day!!! LOLLLLLLL!!!!!
old known cheater modelmaker (still unpunished, "thanks" to CGT team) uploaded 3 pirated panthers:
And those models are identical/similar to https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/de-panthere (and other copies of the same model in this store: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=Original-Jewelry-3D )... and panthers I reported yesterday during the working hours still alive.
"Good job", dear CGT...
I got the message from support. "Pantheroid" user called "original-jewelry-3d" is banned.
Thanks (without any quotes), CGT!!!
Clones of the same user are simultaneously uploading duplicates of the same models:
==================...and there is more...
Funny reality VS formal rules.
Instead of be suspended both cloned models (uploaded yesterday) appeared on the jewelry page with the default sorting ("best match"). https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry
CGT don't fights against pirates/cheaters/fraudsters/scammers... CGT promotes them in fact.
This model was many times suspended (in stores of different users):
Other new models containning this element:
All those models was uploaded last night by https://www.cgtrader.com/aadnaan
Also fresh uploads by aadnaan contains packages of signet rings that looks similar to packs that are selling by BAASU ( https://www.cgtrader.com/baasu ), Marco Langobardi ( https://www.cgtrader.com/marcolongobardi01 ), Jworx ( https://www.cgtrader.com/jworx ), ArtChahur ( https://www.cgtrader.com/artchahur ) etc. But those ring shanks can be reproduced easy, so I can't be sure that it's clones (however it looks suspicious)
Is there any difference between those two models or it's just result of CGT's internal bug?
Banned last monday "original-jewelry-3d" returned to CGT as "ipsum" last weekend. https://www.cgtrader.com/ipsum
I detected him when he uploaded "panther's head" (I reported it not via ticket but using "report" button on the model's page). Suspicion that ipsum is original-jewelry-3d proved when he started to upload the same content as were in o-j-3d store (replicas... I don't reporting those replicas as pirated because it's pretty well rendered but technically ugly enough models and each of this replica looks similar to others but not same)
Cloned users are uploading duplicates again:
I reported those users to support team during weekend. And this is fresh issue (uploaded last night 22.06.2020)
user "Aadnaan" uploaded duplicates again. The difference is only in description (one is 9US size, other is 60EU size, but the trick lies in fact 9US=60EU)
The same user (ex- "original-jewelry-3d" now "ipsum") uploaded pirated item again (during weekend I already reported the same item):
...dear Armenian designers, are you true designers or your meaning of "design" is "download from VK and upload to CGT"???
...and dear CGT support, are you alive and healthy or all are dead after "corona"??? Nothing done since last week, none of last reported links were processed.
From 2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring
On CGT were published more copies of this horse (I seen today at least one more), but today is impossible to look at search results further than first page.
Old known generic pirated model was uploaded last night:
Uploaded last night: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/elephants-in-line-ring
I see, technically it's different models. But the main element of both models has absolutely identical base model of the elephant (in case of newer model maybe those elephants are slightly better processed).
Hudda-hagga isn't classic pirate, he/she is 3d-modelist, but he/she uses stolen 3d-models to assembly their own models. I know it 100% because I had the clash with "hudda" once when I found on CGT model that used my free model (tennis racket) as element of more complex hudda's model (it was used in hudda's "olympic pendant"). So I don't know is it piracy or not (in terms of official rules).
And one more "panther" found: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/tiger-catier-jewelry
Due to CGT bug (at least in both browser's on my both devices) I can't inspect more than 120 models of this seller, but I see there also one of derivatives of versace's medusa, old known pirated mermaid etc... and typical for Eastern Asian sellers stuff (looks similar to hahnnguen's "models" and to other chinese/vietnamese/thai stores... it needs to be inspected deeper, but CGT don't gives any possibility to do it)
As proof for my previous comment:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101221 (yes, glorious shurik-ryas again... mmeh)
but I have some doubts because both of models looks ALMOST identical, but has definitely slightly different mimics. (maybe in one of those derivatives was just slightly re-sculpted face... but other proportions and parts looks identical)
Two days, two fake designers, the same pirated model that appeared and appears each single day on CGT in stores of different sellers :
BOTH MUST BE DELETED (I don't believe CGT will ban "designers"...)
Due to CGT's site rendering issues (CGT don't shows more than 1 page and it lasts many days on my all devices and in all browsers)? here is just 3 pairs of illegal models from two sellers "thegioinutrang" and "nguyenneo69" (and as usual both sellers are pirates):
There is more, but it's job for mythic "CGT investigation team"... may be those fraudsters will be banned next month or next year... ;)
Yesterday I got reply from support team about this model -- it was deleted in the store of the same seller (hovpogh21) and copy was deleted from another store (after I reported both)
But this night hovpogh21 re-uploaded this old pirated item again
That's exactly why CGT should not only remove the stolen content, but ban the thieves and not let them register again as they always do.
user hovpogh21 uploaded this model third time (2 previous uploaded panther rings was already suspended)
here is the quote from the previous CGT support answer: "I would like to inform you that this model has been suspended again and in case this behavior continues, we will suspend the account of this seller." And I hope CGT will do it...
Uploaded last night: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/other/hopi-hummingbird
Earlier models with the same bird (some versions slightly differs in nuances, but all models are pirated):
12 days ago I reported another clone of this model and it was deleted by CGT support. Now it appeared in new store. "Author" has at this moment only 4 models and one of them is this pirated horse ring. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-head-womens-ring
As the "evidence" link to model from 2016: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/horse-ring
P.S. Models reported during last weekend still not processed. I can call it SABOTAGE from CGT.
this user was banned twice (as "thegioinutrang" and "phuthanhjewelry"). Now returned as "mark3d79" with the same models (and the same e-mail address on the screenshots.)
this user was banned triple(as "thegioinutrang" and "phuthanhjewelry"). Now returned as "3dmark" with the same models. Shop contains also models from banned "nguyenneo69" store and also popular among pirates models of cartier's panther jewelry.
Ca. 100 models were uploaded in just one night.
As evidence to my previous comment about "3dmark":
Uploaded last night by 3dmark: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-c7c43609-f9f2-40ad-8b4d-b14cf7c74de1
Absolutely the same model from 2017 uploaded by mak85rter: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/bracelets/bracelet-65
100% Pirate: https://www.cgtrader.com/ab-jewellery
I won't to search "evidences"... it's investigation team business. But obvious attributes of piracy here are at least "fusion/ultravision" models, appeared "here and there and everywhere" on the CGtrader many times.
Each time when I reported those models to support, they asked me about "evidences", but sorry, lazy and sneaky CGT guys, only you can parse, compare complex models uploaded on your servers. You know perfectly that I was and still right about all this models, but probably you have your inner instructions to not touch this shit.
Another newcomer and "top-star" of last couple weeks https://www.cgtrader.com/perdono is also primitive pirate.
All attributes of piracy are here: speedy batch upload, familiar looking models, items identical to many others from another sellers...
I don't report him only because i have not enough free time to dig CGT, and CGT still working not smooth, sluggish and buggy (at least with connection from my country).
I reported 2 models ("Tiger ring" and "Panther head ring") directly from pages as pirated items.
But other models are also "stolen".
For example here is original "animal ring": https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2173984 (on this thingiverse's page are also shown remixes of those rings that proves identical models from thingiverse and from this user called "andrejaques-b").
Other models from this user also looks very familiar.
Isn't in this store not too many copies of cartier's "cats"?
I reported many identical "panthers" during this year and usually all were placed for sale by different "designers"
At least 3 (or 4) models from 9 are pirated. (I hope those "cat heads" are familiar to CGT support team).
lol and that sellers in gone now
i see some similar product but different seller so look like those were pirated. and some are seeling in others 3d site too.
i think i have an idea cgtrader should make a system which auto detect same render image to detect similar product and make it offline automatically.
That was proposed multiple times over the years to TS and CGT, but it seems like nobody wants to do it for some reason.
Pirated model. This well known item is circulating across the Internet by years. Were many times suspended on CGT in stores of different "sellers".
Another pirated model that uses the same shank as base: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-of-saint-peter-the-fisherman
Identical items from different sellers (except modified jump ring and bail on the model from first link):
Looks like the same model in the stores of 2 different sellers:
After brief visual inspection of both stores I can say: both "designers" are pirates.
Earlier from grivajevel (cheating: the same models with the same info about file formats and sizes):
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/big-star-ring-01 (the same file attributes as "grivajewel's" models and the same preview pictures...)
If I'm not wrong, Cadholder was banned from CGT (i'm too lazy to search and parse CGT's forum content and even this thread)... now he got number "2" but not changed in 3d content...
Newcomer started his CGT-activity from uploading generic stolen model ("Saint George signet")
If new user at first uploads for sale such content deserves he to be banned from the start or not?
New user with whole store of stolen models.
Some "classic" examples:
I reported all those items many times during last year. If additional "proofs" are needed, I can spend my time and find copies. Obviously it may (or will) be items from well known pirates (shurik-ryas, cadcart, grivajewel, numerous sellers with armenian nicknames etc...)
hello, I don't know if anyone will still read this message.. I was calmly downloading free models on this site with a free license and today I came across this topic from you stating that there are fraudulent designers... this also goes for users with designers free? because, if I have and have a chance of downloading one of these models, I would like not to risk having my indie game affected in any way because of these models!...
sorry for the text! jajaja
some free models downloads have chance those model are from other designers. i recommend buy or downloads from trusted old seller(you can check their store how many models they have and how old their store are by checking their old model date). usually paid models are better then free downloads model because its secure and safe with license.
yes trimitek, I started downloading on this site and even found it strange at first that many models are very realistic that certainly wouldn't be free models on other sites but I thought it was good after reading the CGtrader forum but I had no idea that the guys could be doing that. :/
"Older" isn't equal "safer".. CGT don't removed MOST of old pirates. Or may be CGT's "suspension" was temporary action for them. Somebody just changed username, others even hasn't changed anything. Scumsellers and price ruiners won. I see the same crap every day in "newest models" and don't want to bury my time for "evidence searching" and reporting of duplicates or pirated models. I don't care anymore. Capitalist hypocrisy is stronger. Facade of CGT says: "Rules! Copyright! bla bla bla". But other mouth (somewhere near from the butt) is whispering true mantra: "Numbers!!! Traffic!!! Money!!!"
yes, I was checking here and I saw that, on free3d, there are also comments of having models stolen there.. the only site that I didn't see any comments is unity itself.. however, on this site, certain models are very scarce, even more free. :(
I was testing something here just out of curiosity.. I took the main image of some random models from this site and sent it to google images, some other sites appeared after I searched for the model image, while in others it only appeared from the CG trader.. I know that still wouldn't be enough to prove that a model wasn't defrauded but could already serve as a basis maybe which models were defrauded or not?
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