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    They are here for long time.

    Cadcart, micheldogary-, shurik-ryas, probably grivajewel and cadholder-1 and lots of others people that uploading hundreds of items per day. And usually this models are very suspicious. They have a lot of same (or very similar models), don't have normal info about item, they declaring 3DM format, but instead of it are just wrapping STL into 3DM file etc etc etc. Most of all this stuff was collected on internet for free, or just used Matrix/Rhinogold (or similar) samples and library elements. And this "free" stuff was leaked from 3d-printing service studios (stolen by managers, printer operators etc...)

    Does CGtrader have any ideas what to do with this people?

    I know, CGT have profit from each sale and money doesn't smell. But what about reputation and what about real modelers and designers who are harmed by these "sellers"?

    And speaking about other suspicious "designers": Here is description from the page of one (newcomer who selling Jcad stuff for 3$ per model): ___<<

    We are trying to provide lots of perfect jewelry 3d file for your
    production, we have our own design team, create hundreds models per
    month, and we keep providing high-quality jewelry cad 3d file for you.
    Thousands of designs will be uploaded every month, pls keep follow us
    for new arrival designs.>>___ Brilliant! They have HUNDREDS of slaves who making models to throw it in internet for free. (And I'm even not talking about Jcad niche "quality").


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    Posted 15 days ago
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    If you have evidence of stolen assets being sold, then provide them to support and illegall content or even whole accounts will be removed. Otherwise, i would restrain myself from calling other sellers as frauders or scammers without solid evidence, unless you want to get yourself into trouble.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    I reported some items. And I'm don't shy about it. But here.is no limit to uploads and hard limit to models you can report. Another point: admins are deleting only one reported model. Not both, not three, four etc. If CGT os caring about reputation, admins.must do their work as.needed, not only by demand.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    And man, I'm 20 years in jewelry industry and 17 years in modeling for jewelry, I see, what is scam.
    Posted 15 days ago
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    @skapricorn, i just write you PM.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Thanks, Lemonade. Got and answered. "Live.long an prosper"!
    Posted 15 days ago
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    So, what you said makes me wonder, so I looked at some of these models, especially the models of michaeldogarry-1 because he is the #1 on the list "TopDesigners".
    And besides these models may or may not be stolen, what I found kind of suspicious is the FACT that every single model he uploaded he just has 1 to 5 different pictures BUT 30 to 100 times uploaded!!!
    That doesn't seem to be a problem at first but remember: more pictures = higher publishing score for your model = better ranking in search.

    So again the models may or may not be stolen but he definitely don't "play fair".

    Btw.
    I tried the same to test it so I uploaded the exact same amount of models, same format, copied his description, copied the tags.
    With just 1 Picture the Score is about 4.2 but with 50 Pictures which are all the exact same one:
    Lady and gentleman hold your beer: the score is 8.0!
    That's a howl new league!

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Yes, I'm also started adding unnecessary pictures and useless for printing and for industrial design formats (as OBJ) while ago. Only for better publishing score. And I'm feeling like I'm generating spam just because CGT "loves it". It works (or worked) but not as much. Publishing score gives me no profit or more views. It just gives access to "analytics"(and this analytics is pretty useless for me). So I don't want to making unnecessary (and dirty) moves (like adding lots of pictures and unneeded formats) further.
    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    The system CGT made has its advantages and uses, but has to be refined for specific cases (like textures for examples) and there has to be punishments for those who exploit it ( deducting 50 reputation points could be a good prevention method for cases like this one).
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    The best prevention would be more smarter rules of "publishing score" calculation.
    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    Identical image detection will also be not very hard to develop I guess
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    You're right. But the rule "Add as more pictures as possible" is stupid in the ground. Not for all models 1000 pictures and renders are needed and in the same time no one wants to have "1.0" as PS for their models.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Maybe it's not bad for fully rigged mega-tech-robot or for model for animation etc. (Also additional format). But when for some relatively NURBS-model of flat pendant that intended for CNC-machining or for 3d-printing I need to add OBJ's and pair of dozens of views -- it confusing me and it's very hard to be psychologicallyaccepted by customers (and OBJ, 3DS and other "cartoon"-formats in this case just gaves additional load to CGT servers....)
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Searching and analyse MUST be an internal tool for CGtrader. It can detect copysellers/thieves https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/dog-face-animal-pendant-3dm-stl-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/snake-ring-3dm-stl-file-3d-print-model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-snake-10362 https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-35-d9c8c5e5-bcd3-481a-bbc4-f307fa8f7aad https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/free-model-c7d77e5a-57bb-48ec-8cb5-495ae6762d19
    zabotlama wrote
    zabotlama
    I must say that I agree in this case and I would only add that similarly stupid is also rule: "Add as more key-words as possible". The negative effect of this is category spamming in other words some artists are adding irrelevant key-words. I personally have sometimes problem to think the minimal required 5 keywords.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    small correction for my previous comment with links: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226
    LemonadeCG wrote
    LemonadeCG
    I totally agree with the rest. It's bad enough that certain sellers upload same or almost identical models numerous times, but when they exploit the publishing score in a such rude manner to get their models on top of all others... This behaviour should be punished. Fair sellers just stand no chance. No wonder why everyone is so desperate to set their prices to unacceptable level. I think we need to get cgtrader support's or even administration's attention to this issue. Situation will only get worse if we do nothing and only will chat in the forum.
    Posted 13 days ago
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    Another evidences? Just look at real author's site ( http://noktamodel.com/index.php ) author's name is Burak Yalcin.

    And at this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=turkish&sort_by=sales

    All this stuff is selling by multiple "authors" (such as cadcart, shurik-ryas and others) for a very long time. And CGtrader is literally flooded by this stuff.
    As modeler I can say: almost all of those copies looks not like remodeled, reverce-engineered or retopo'ed but like absolutely same models stolen many years ago and downloaded from "shadow zone". For example: https://vk.com/albums-57934042 or https://vk.com/album-57934042_248226332 there are "sales", but in real isn't complicated to ask there somebody about free copy. "Companies" like 3dwax.ru and 3drings.ru are pretty "famous" between illegal stuff searchers and sellers.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    but CGT-support says like in film with Arnie: "what is your evidences?" ...I can find more. Because thanks pirates, now I don't have motivation or inspiration for designing or fir work with customers but it made a lot of free time for me ^))))))))
    Posted 13 days ago
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    One more stolen model:

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/gold-mushroom-pendant

    Proof? I have all project files. Because it was modeled by me. As far in year 2010. I provided to administration ZIP with this files. Let admins looks at file attributes and properties.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    P.S. I know for 100% -- it's (or "it WAS") my model. Because I know my own skills, style and modeling manners in that period (2010). And I remember for which customer I modeled it... etc.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    one more P.S.: I never published this model not because it was modeled for customer basing on some reference pictures of another mushroom. No. It's not exclusive job. It's just was boring and pretty ugly model. :) But client was fully satisfied. Looking at "About" of this seller I see: "Attention! 3D models mainly in stl formats, though are translated in 3dm a format. I do not translate files from one format to another. Attention! Some earrings without lock in a set!"... And you know why STL only? Answer is simple: models was leaked out some 3d-printing service in Moscow (probably from infamous 3dwax.ru but I don't have evidences... but I know and most of russian\moscowian jewelry designers knows about this "company")
    Posted 13 days ago
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    One more: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-ring-with-emerald-8acb1cb4-edcf-473b-805d-14061b08c54a
    And the same model I seen in some "top sellers" stores. This model was also modeled by me on demand of my customer many years ago. I never published it because it was made UGLY (i don't like to place stones this way) by the will of client. And because it contains datum: 2006/28/04 (who needs others memories????)))))))) Admins needs proofs??? OK! Archive with source project attributed way older than 2017 (2010, but model was produced earlier) is on my HDD and copy is in cloud.

    Posted 13 days ago
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    And because topic about sellers selling stolen and leaked models for 3d printing is not as interesting for people on CGT, i will say pair words on my native language:

    Для того, чтобы из магазина продавца shurik-ryas были удалены несколько моих моделей, понадобился целый день практически бессмысленного пинг-понга по и-мэйлу с технической поддержкой CGT. И я не уверен, что эти модели были удалены по моей просьбе, потому что ссылки на них перестали работеть только после того, как я поделился ими с одним из пользователей, котоырй официально отношения к администрации не имеет. Все остальные ссылки, которые я отправлял в хелпдеск остаются без реакции и без ответа. Выходит, что вторая в мире по величине и объёму трафика биржа 3d-моделей не настолько велика по своим деяниям. Возникают подозрения, что некоторые люди в администрации CGT как-то связаны с некоторыми нечистыми на руку продавцами-"пылесосами". Сложилось впечатление, что ситуация, когда нечистые совестью продавцы торгуют краденными, слитыми из принт-сервисов и мастерских или собранными по пиратским пабликам на вконтакте моделями, ничуть не беспокоит CGT, либо же CGT намеренно выбрал такой путь с целью иметь в обороте много тысяч моделей, с которых всё-таки можно имметь какой-то процент. С точки зрения цели получения выгоды CGT можно понять. Этически -- нет. Абсолютно непроверенные и не проверяемые никем, топ-"дизайнеры" продолжают заливать тонны несвоих моделей на площадку, подстёгивая клиентов, стремящихся получить большее за меньшие деньги или бесплатно (это нормально, это естественно, это природа человека). Меж тем, честным дизайнерам и модельерам остаётся только уяснить для самих себя: своим трудом деньги не заработаешь, за свой

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    что-то пошло не так на клавиатуре и сообщение улетело незаконченным... итак... Простым дизайнерам и модельерам, которые работают сами на себя остаётся лишь уяснить: ваш труд -- это не профессия, а хобби. С этого хобби будут иметь свою прибыль всякие шурики, кадкарты и прочие "пылесосы". И прямой контакт с такими "продавцами"-ворами обычно складывается в таком ключе: "Ну вперёд!.. А что ты сделаешь?". Практика показывает, что они и в самом деле привыкли к безнаказанности. И попытки исправить ситуацию также показывают, что в лучшую сторону ничего не изменится. Потому что нет квалифицированного содействия со стороны администрации. Модельеры для ювелирки, ЧПУ и 3д-печати издавна жаловались на неадекватность цен и затрачиваемых усилий, все эти разговоры ведутся столько, сколько я себя помню в этой индустрии, больше 15-ти лет. Но к 2019 году всё только ухудшилось. И статистика просмотров и продаж моделей это подтверждает. Ещё один смешноватый момент. Каждый раз, когда тапок правды становится на хвост таких "шуриков", они начинают канитель: "Чувак! Но ты же сам продаёшь модели известных брендов". Нет, ребята, я продаю модели, которые смоделировал своими руками. И речь идёт о продаже того материала, который модельер сделал сам. Вместе с этим также выползают всякие лицемерные наивыши, котоыре именно за это же начинают укорять. При этом сами не зудумываются, что не они тоже разработали и придумали большинство из всех этих интерьерных объектов, автомобилей и прочих моделей. Но они при этом приложили много сил и навыков, чтобы построить эти модели по нескольким референсным картинкам. Это серьёзный труд, и они его ценят, но только когда сами им занимаются. При этом они всё-таки считают, что какой-нибудь форд-фокус или айфон, сделанный ими в 3д-макс легален, а сделанный мной набор украшений, визуально повторяющий какой-нибудь картье -- это пиратство, воровство и зашквар. :)
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    И суммирую кратко: CGT не способен очиститься от краденых моделей для 3d-печати. Он не имеет нужных ресурсов, и квалификации, и, скорее всего, желания. Зато имеет процент с продаж. К сожалению, на данный момент CGT до сих пор остаётся лучшей и самой удобной площадкой для поиска, заказа, покупки и продажи 3d, то есть в других местах дела обстоят гораздо хуже.
    marpro wrote
    marpro
    Ok I can absolutely understand you, not the text which is looking for me like hieroglyphs, but anyway: I could imagine that it is accepted form CGT because of one simple reason: CGT promotes itself as the biggest 3D Model Website in the World. To be the biggest Website you have to have the biggest amount of 3D Models. And who are the guys who uploaded the most models? You are right these incredible diligent "studios" which uploads thousands of models every month. But how it is possible that one Studio uploads so many models? 1. You worked for the last 20 years every day and was modeling every possible jewelry. 2. you are currently in a country where you have a "Studio" whit hundreds of "Employees" which model as fast as they can, because for every model they will get 20ct. 3. You really have some employees who download some models from some "suspicious" websites, download the preview of this model two and just upload them. Hmm, maybe there are more ways but I guess i can imagine which is the actual method. They also said that they have about 2 Million 3D Artists because they count every single Profile that means customers to, but they don't tell you that. (Search field: "Search 910 000 3D Models", with 2 Million Artist? not really!)
    Posted 12 days ago
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    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mering-018

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/mering-018

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/signet-ring-of-knight-with-horse-and-dragon

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-51-man-george

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-119-7d588d9e-9e71-45a7-b933-cbf0fa0810a7

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0119

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/new-fancy-ring

    LemonadeCG wrote
    LemonadeCG
    This is freaking ridiculous. The same is happening with other models, just look at fancy interiors for $5 that is selling by chinese accounts - you can find same models with exactly same previous being sold by many different sellers. It's sad enough that one has to spend huge amount of personal time to gather evidence, but when CGT is closing eyes on evidence... it's just frustrating.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Yes. I seen. It's VERY frustrating. Now i'm not completely decided, but i have strong will to ask administration after this "black friday sale" to suspend all my models, because I can not compete with thieves and fake "studios". I'm not sure now... but impulsively I want to boycott CGT in nearest future... I'm sure, if somebody will ask me in future how is selling or buying models here, I will answer: "Don't worth... Better try to crawling on VK.com publics and communities or on CGpeers/CGpersia". I hope, quality modeling for printing will die as soon, because current situation and system already came to dead end of any creative process and development and shitsellers are the kings of the hill.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    After whole day all links still working. It's true evidence how CGT really 8s functioning. Never trust ex-USSR, even if it's Baltic.
    Posted 11 days ago
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    One example how works CGT.
    I needed pretty long time to prepare and to upload new item https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/wedding-rings-with-inner-ornament I finished uploading and placed the model at ca 14-00 CET. Now is 17-10 CET and view of jewelry on CGT (sorted as "Newest") shows that only few users added new models. But my model is deep in butthole (~80th). 90% of today model flood made by cadcart via "batch uploading". Me and other authors have any chance to bee seen by buyers? (Answer is NO).

    Also today shitseller CadHolder1 added again same old copy of StGeorge ring (yesterday it was suspended after my reports) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/fancy-ring-dfa64f13-acff-48cf-b735-1622ba94190c

    I don't know what administration is doing. Seems like they are too busy to control what users are uploading :))

    Posted 10 days ago
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    And summarizing my last days activity I can say Thanks to CGT administration for suspending some models. But most of links still alive.
    I don't want to dig all this shit deeper and to pee against the wind.
    I noticed one more thing: last days I uploaded just 1 model, sold nothing ("black friday" is only for "top's"... not for dorks like me ), but gained lots of reputation points only because I played role of insane shitcrawler here on forum. I think it's absolutely wrong thing. I woul'd be much happier if I gained only half of quarter of this points not via flood but via publishing and sales. Life is life.

    I can conclude that my "fight against thieves" is failed. Fraudsters on CGT (as on the rest of Internet) will win every time and forever. Amen. Thanks.

    (Better I'll go to unload cars on the railway because it's easier and much better paid job).

    LemonadeCG wrote
    LemonadeCG
    Unfortunatelly, fighting with thieves is very little rewarding experience. In digital world, it's much easier to steal, than to caught a thief. And even when the thieves get caught, they face no consequences. Worst that could happen to them, is closed account and lost small amount of money, accumulated during current month. Most of them immediately opens new account. Some even dares to brag about that in the forum. Solitary sellers can't do much about that. I believe that marketplaces could change the situation, if they wish, but the problem is, they don't mind the thieves. Pecunia non olet.
    Posted 10 days ago
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    This problem was neglected for far too long and reached extreme levels in the last 2-3years.
    All 3D marketplaces must realize that this can no longer continue and measures should be taken now.

    We may disagree on the methods, but I think we all agree this is a very serious issue which discourages all honest Artists here.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    As "starter" would be not bad premoderation of uploaded models. I know, it may be hard for CGT human resources, but it's one more reason to revise "batch upload" system. For example, author/seller may reach some "trust deal" and get some kind of "certificate" from CGT administration... I know... it's hard in terms of numbers, but it's very very very needed. But only this action may throw out illegal and bad (without needed description or with 100 repetitive views etc...) models.
    Posted 9 days ago
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    One more newcomer that needs to be inspected. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=tyraell (if not the same then very very similar stuff is numerously presented by other "authors", I posted links to this designs in this thread before)

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Example to compare: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?author=caria or better this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models?keywords=ultra+vision&amp;suggested=1
    Posted 7 days ago
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    At this moment none of persons who multiple times tried to sell (and sold) stolen or free models as "own" works still not punished and still uploading shit again.
    For example: sorting "jewelry" every morning with sorting "newest" models I still finding every time freshly uploaded "saint george ring " models and other old stuff.

    LemonadeCG wrote
    LemonadeCG
    If support staff aren't subscribed to this topic (most likely they aren't), then your post goes unnoticed. It would be much more effective to write directly to support.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    All links from this post (and more) I report also to helpdesk. And they are doing good job and deleting duplicates or illegal models. But deleting of 5-6 if models from 5000 and more have no effect on pirates. "Punishing" must be more than just deleting infringed models.
    Posted 6 days ago
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    This whole thread makes me depressive.
    It is so unfair to see that many guys who get so much money, with apparently stolen models, while you have to be happy about every single sale.

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Same sh#t... And much depressive for me, when I'm digging tons of those "models" instead of working on my own designs. But if CGT moderators are too busy or too lazy for doign their job, I can't stop to help them eliminate illegal models.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    But as wrote me CGT's marketing-head: "please understand that you're competing in crowded space, so competition is high. " I'm understood him... The meaning of words "Fair competition" always was and still different for modelers/craftsmen and for sales managers.
    marpro wrote
    marpro
    It is just a little bit like... Adobe: "Our sales are falling..." Expert: "..you are competing in crowded space!" All these illegal download sites: "FREE PHOTOSHOP, GET IT HEEEEERE!"
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    all it was described by Marx 150 years ago.
    Posted 3 days ago
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    The haul after today's morning coffee (already reported to administration as usually):

    "Versace" gorgona clones

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/diamond-versace-pendent

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/versace-pendent

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/277-wedding-ring

    ==================================================================================

    Older (also stolen stuff, but I don't found evidences yet)
    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

    Set that has interfering models (from Cadholder1): https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/72-nokta-turky-6-size-3dm-rhino-matrix-ring-earrings-pendant-3d

    Were deleted/suspended after my report, but Cadholder1 uploaded it again:

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-07

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-05

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-print-04

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-03

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-02

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-01

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-c0d82717-4aef-4b4d-9eb2-9d52dc25c133

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-9affb56b-f9c7-424a-82fa-13004b13f4fd

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/5-size-nokta-model-3d-model-print-cfb2bd71-d6ba-466c-93af-308ea31bc76b

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-634ced92-190f-46ff-8a2c-893375a47adf

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-01

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model-3bc7e019-205b-4ce1-998f-a440ab0c5642

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print-7d793e68-d760-43aa-a9a2-a1823ba928df

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/multy-size-nokta-model

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/nokta-model-print

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/bulk-pendants-0009-3dm-61-files

    ==============================================
    ZBrush dogs/cats:

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/other/dog-model-ring

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-ring

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-ring

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/chihuahua-dog-ring

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cat-ring-3d-print-model

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/cute-dog-ring

    ==============================================

    "Dog face":

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/dog-face-pendant

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/pendant-dog

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-1

    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Update in addition to dog faces (and in previous links list ) https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/pendant-0101226 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/brooch-16 Sorry for half-mistake, but if add this addition to previous list, there will be no doubts about presence of clones.
    Posted 3 days ago
    2

    More clones:

    "templar" signet ring

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/golden-thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring
    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring
    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/thick-round-militvm-xpisti-sigillvm-ring

    Another ring from the same collection:

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/de-templo-cristi-printed-golden-thick-ring
    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/rings/ring-r0471

    Posted 3 days ago
    3

    Eureka!

    Why CGT employees can not just input on server some SQL-query to find and filter models from different sellers that have identical attributes (file extension, checksum and file size). During my "birdwatching" i noticed lot of times that most of fraudsters are selling the same FILES with common size and extension.

    (I don't pretending to anything, but it's really pretty hard: doing for free job of paid employees using only regular and buggy search tools of CGT... I'm interpreting my actions as investment to my and other fair designers better chances to be viewed and sold. But my mental health isn't rock-solid:)))))))) )

    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    I had suggested the same (+ additional things) to TurboSquid support few months ago, because it's really easy to do - guess what happened?
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Yes, I guess.... ;) (but really it's more sad than funny or ironic)
    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    Yes, exactly nothing happened and they even started protecting thieves and un-ban old banned thieves accounts. CGT now has a chance to prove that they are not the same. From what I have seen so far they do ban thieves.
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Yes, I know about bans as result of thief-hunters work here on CGT. But none of reported "sellers" of jewelry 3d-printable models is banned yet on CGT. They still working and dumbest of them ( Cadholder1) still uploading already suspended items again. Maximum that does CGT -- just and only suspends copies and clones, not more.
    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    They tend to be slow as they still don't have enough people working on this. If you had provided solid proof for 3-4 products on account it should be banned.
    trimitek wrote
    trimitek
    I suspect the reports info is not very well structured and organized on CGT side (if at all), so I will suggest you to gather your reports and order them to show clearly you had proof for more than 4 products per account and send that info to support. Tell us what happened after that.
    Posted 3 days ago
    3

    Example of identical file attributes (both from cadcart):

    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/women-pendant-3dm-render-detail-ad09be6f-65ae-4936-8cfc-f8c803b4d26c
    https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/jewelry/pendants/cube-pendant-3dm-render-detail

    The same renders, the same files: Rhino 3DM 67.6 MB

    I suppose cadcart don't knows he/she sells not only scam but has duplicates in own store :))))

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08101309

    They are in London but working more cynically than russians (comparing with russian Ritaflower or shurik-ryas (ok, shurik is from Donbass-dumbass and now living in Lithuania or Latvia, but it's "russian world")). HILARIOUS!!!!

    marpro wrote
    marpro
    Ouhh, so this happens when two of these model stealing "Employees" steal exactly the same model, just upload it again. I am curious about what happens if there are no "real" modelers who upload stuff, do the thieves steal then their own models to upload it again?
    skapricorn wrote
    skapricorn
    Mapro, "batch upload" another name is "throw, don't look" :) And more benefits for fraudsters: when they uploading suspended models again, they are gaining fresh rep.points (when model is suspended, it has no reflection on rep.points, rep.p decreases only if model is deleted, but admins don't delete, just suspends) Seems like with completely this tactics "works" Cadholder1.

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