Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?...where are customers?
Have you not sold anything yet? You have collection of 64 very good quality models. I saw people on turbosquid with even less and they make a living from that. I have only 9 models, not sold anything here yet, but on turbosquid I have sold one model of my sci-fi platform once.
How long have you been on cg trader. Sales take time. I have been uploading my models here since January 2015 and had 2 sales already and three on turbosquid. But made more from the 2 sales here than i did for the past 4 months on turbosquid. The royalty system here is much better than on ts. Dont know why people still support TurboSquid. All 3d designers can make a much better living if they sell their models here.
I agree with Hans on everything. Sales take time and what you sell is random and often not what you would expect. Turbosquid is awful... but buyers still think it is the place to shop because it has been out there for so long... even if the models on there aren't very good quality and the site is buggy and outdated. CG trader is so much better!!
At turbosquid i was selling something each month, at cgtrader 5 sales almost for one year and it was not expensive models. Reason why, i am still there, its hope :)
Thks for give your comment guys, i saw that your are like me
Low sale on CGtrader :( even if you put low price to your model
The problem is not your model or price, the problem is that Cgtrader need to be more popularity, don't you??
If you want more sales on Turbosquid it is easy to do but it is risky... There is a loop hole in there system but you can't do this on all your models or they will catch you and ban you from the site. If you want to know how to use the loop hole I will share the trick with you it is legal...
I hope this link is helpfull for you
i think that this sales platform is less famous than turbosquid, i found this site accidentally but i chose this one for the royalty rate; We need to make advertising of this site to make it famous, if you search on internet "the best 3d marketplace" you can find a lot of result but i didn't saw this in no one of the results. :(
Make CGtrader famous, i think this task for this site owners in first row, but afraid if it will be famous like TS, CGtrader will change their policy for sellers.
hey guys, next to this discussion, take a look of my BIG idea :
Haha the Turbosquid loop hole trick is not in any way illegal and that is why I got banned... They don't want everyone to game their system because then the top dogs won't manage to sell as well. The Turbosquid people are big bullies who only want the top sellers to sell the rest don't matter to them at all.
Well it is pretty simple to do and since I got some people asking about how it is done I'll share it. All you need to do is go into your Turbosquid tags and add the names of the top sellers on Turbosquid. It is super easy to do.
To get started you go on Turbosquid and you do this based on what models you have. If you are selling cars you just type in car or whatever search word is most popular. Then a bunch of models will show up. You then copy and paste the names of those sellers into your tags and there you have it.
Now all of a sudden your models are searchable even when your rank on there is the lowest. Be careful don't do this on all your models or you will get banned from Turbosquid. Once you get banned they will also freeze your account. Make sure you have all your models backed up because they won't let you access your models and once you are banned from Turbosquid you will never be able to sell there again even after years of not being on there.
If you use this trick on one or two models it will fly under the radar and it will bring lots of buyers to your account.
Sold 27 models so far, however time between sales is getting shorter for me these days. Sales on Ts is indeed much higher, even when most of my models are almost 60% more expensive over there. The people hoe buy my twice as expensive models probably don't know they can get them for half the price here.
However, I'm confident that in time CGt will get more global awareness and people will check here before they buy somewhere ells.
Remember, CGt is not only a sales platform, it is also a platform made for a community of passionate artist's, so our support for this whole idea is the most important part of its success.
Well said iterateCGI!
I'v nothing to reproach CGtrader. For me, it's currently the second 3D marketplace (since The3DStudio.com died ... RIP)
I sell less here than TS, but the number of sales remains correct. (especially since CGTrader is less focused on 3D printing).
I think TS and CGTrader are complementary. If the 3dmarket places like CGTrader didn't exist, the TS royalties would not be
40% but 10% :)
I think CGTrader (and others) are ESSENTIAL for the the 3D industry balance .
With the people like marvinanimation this site is losing all credibility.
That's why it never be like TS.
Yeah I love CG Trader too!
If some artists want participate to the project for promote your work on cgtrader Through a video, i invited you to send 1 or 2 HD Jpeg or 360°video of your better model on this link
-Name your file with : your nickname-name of the model
for example : Newlc-AirbusA380
-Deadline Upload : March 31 2015
If you meet problems to upload your file, please contact me
Best regards buddys!
You are a SquidGuild member , so your interest is that sites like CGTrader disappear. Personally TS is just 40% of all my royalties, 60% that remains are divided among 3 other sites and CGTrader have a great part of this 60%.
And now that Fallingpixels and Exchange3D died, I think that this part will grow :).
I noticed that on your web site you wrote that your 3d models are disponible on Turbosquid, if you want to promote this web site why you don't write even that you are on CGTrader?
This thing can be made for all the comunity, try to promote this Web site on your personal site and maybe by make some discount if costumers buy theyr model from here :)
I like CGTrader because the royalty rate is very high... I'm very happy i can sell my models in this site. I hope CGTrader will grow better in this year... :)
Well, it's time to stop this screeching about super percentage that get sellers at cgtrader. Just sell model, coast $39, for put back model in stock, i must pay $29, where my ROYALTY RATE 76%? At turbosquid with my 40% for this sell i will take $15, and not forget about squidguild with 60% royalty. Not need think about vat, credits and etc. And this most stupid rank system, then rank up much more easy from spam in forum, then from sell or upload new models. cgtrader have nice futures, but not so good all there.
My models are half the price here on CGt, and jet here I still make more on them (per sale) compared to the sales on Ts, so what you are saying does not make sense to me.
(you probably sold multiple models or something?)
Also don't forget to watch that CG credits counter, you probably bayed more CG credits then necessary and now your CG credit counter still has a balance of 20+ credits? If so, then you are good to sell two to three more models of that same price range at no cost.
If non of what I'm saying is true, then you best contact CGt staff, because then there would be something very wrong with your account.
For a $10 sale on CgTrader i got $10 paid into my paypal account and $2 credits was subtrackted from my free credits. So i got the full amount for my sale. How is that not good.
For a $10 sale on Turbosquid, i only recieved $3.57. That is only a 35.7% Royalty. Who still thinks Turbosquid is the best?
Aleksandr Stepurko :
" ....Not need think about vat, credits and etc"..
you forget 30% tax on no US residents on TS
"And this most stupid rank system, then rank up much more easy from spam in forum" ...
you prefer le famous level squid badge ? stay 40% royalties even after you make $ 10,000,
At least with CG trader increase the royalties rate with the number of sales, I personally think it's a little more fair. personally I win 84% royalty here? can you tell me which is better ?
"...and not forget about squidguild with 60% royalty"
the SquildGuild can be interesting for vendors who sell a lot and since very long.
you are Silver Badge on TS after 2 years !! ... That's means, you have sold less than $ 750 a year !!! So less than 62,5 per month, that's means you earn on average less than $ 25 of royalty by month-(!!!)
I do not want to offend you, I respect the effort of all artists here or elsewhere. and I find that the models you sell are excellent, but I think you do not yet have sold enough (here and on TS) to compare objectively.
How are you doing? I've read all of your posts, I think it is really interesting topic here. I would like to say something about the 3D model presentation in the market from my own experience.
Presentation of your model is the key. If you make a nice renders, wireframe renders + detailed description, a few different exported formats,etc. about the product you sell, it will increase the chances to sell it. Just imagine, you go to the store to buy, for example, shoes. You have two pairs to choose from. I think you will take the one which looks nice and clean and for affordable price. As from customer perspective, you only care about the product quality and price.
In case you do not know, how to make a nice renders for the product you want to sell, there a tons of tutorials out there, which you can learn from.
It is a way of thinking. Personally, I like to learn new things, not just because I need to know how to make a nice presentation for my products, but also because once I learn something new, I know that this new information and skills will help me to model, sculpt, render, etc. more and more complex projects.
Guys, we are working very hard here at CGtrader and we really appreciate your opinion and feedback we receive. We value this information very much, because it helps us to understand you. We are very proud to be a part of our great designers community.
Personally, I like the idea you guys mentioned about letting others know about you by posting links with your products on your personal websites, forums, etc. I would say, it is one of the good ways to help making everyone happy. There is always higher chance for success when working as a big team of talented artists and designers, instead of having a lot of individuals who are trying to catch their fortune by themselves.
We really believe in what we do and we want you to know, that you guys help us a lot!
Thank you for that, for your feedback, for your help and for your understanding.
stays in you 4 days for upload your better 3d model to show YOUR work Through a dynamic video that i'll made
the adress to upload your pict(s) or 360° video is here:
-Name your file with : your nickname-name of the model
for example : Newlc-AirbusA380
-Deadline Upload : March 31 2015
If you meet problems to upload your file, please contact me
Best regards buddys!
Ok, maybe you not understand me right. First of all i have two accounts at ts
, one from them diamond btw, so i have enough experience, and i know about i speak. From this sale i may take more money at ts.
Buyer was from israel, and all money i take in my paypal acount, but for put model back, i must buy 20 credits, for me it will coast $29 with vat(i am from EU). Why i need pay 29$ then i need only 9.36 credits for put model back. This 76% royalty rate become ghost after this all transfers.
For me not interesting what i will have in future, more interesting what i have right now in my pocket. If you guys think what my post lie, will not argue with you, but it was just fact, 10$ there from sold, or 15$ at ts from same sold, and its only for me, dont have idea how much you may take with you royalty rate. And how i told before, if all was bad there, i leave this place, and did not start any discussion, i respect my time, what coudnt told about some persone who post in this topic, maybe you just up you reputation with spame post like post from SuperCigale. 30% tax on no US residents on TS you pay if customer US resident, if customer from other country, you take all revenue, there i must pay 21%vat all time then want buy credits for put model back in store(its was about who there newbie).
usually the sellers on TurboSquid, trying to buy diamond account to gain credibility.
Because it is proven that the diamond sellers sell more.
I see only one reason (for me) why you opened another account: Escape the Guild :)
That said, whatever your reason, on your "second account" you are silver for two years,
it means that on "this account", you just sell nothing on TS. So i don't see how you could compare with CGTrader (???)
Indeed, only US buyers produce a 30% tax for no US residents. But as they make up more than half of sale on TS, the tax volume at the end of the month is important (at least for me)
personally my models are selling well between 10 and 15 dollars, and I sell a lot. On CGTrader, 5 credits allows me to validate two sales.
so when I sell between 25 and 30 dollars on CGTrader, I earn between 18 and 23 dollars of royalties (with VAT).
For the same amount I earn between 10 and 12 dollars on TS (without the famous 30%)
So for royalties rate, CGTrader is widely the best for me.
On the volume of sales, I can admit that I sell 5 more time on TS as CGTrader. So on this point, TS is widely ahead CGTradder.
Concerning the total amount of my royalties CGTrader comes just after TS, but some other sites are near to CGTrader. So I can say truthfully that TS provides 40%
of my total royalties.
last point: Here is an open forum and we particularly appreciate this freedom.
I speak only when it seems important to me, and when someone spits on CGTrader just to enhance TS I do not mind to act.
I'm on GCTrader sincethe beginning I saw this young team grows, and especially to listen to its members. Which is not the case everywhere :)
so if I spamming this forum, it will be the CGTrader team tell me.
PS: I do not have to post a reply to Increase my reputation . My sales do ;)
@Aleksandr Stepurko & @SuperCigale Hold on Guys!
We are here to find one solutions to our sales, find how we could find customers, I suggested realizing a video with the 3D models of artists like you guys and I have nothing of you..., So send me a photo or 360° of your best 3Dmodel and you 'll see it into the dynamic video that I am prepapred...
Stay positive and let's do it together
SuperCigale you are definitely not spamming and your comment was very enlightening. Thanks for posting :)
i guys !
i realized a little video like i told you to promote our work but for many reasons CGTRADER disappointed me like for example a prize which I won on challenge and which I have never received until this day .
i think the best think we have to do it's not just a video, but a BIG website FOR US, because we spend many time for NOTHING, don't you????
Sorry to hear you have issue receiving the prize, I will ask my colleagues about it and we will get back to you early next week.
yes this is very quiet place :( i have no sales yet. just applied 40% discount to my models to see if that has any effect
i have been here for four months and i got one sale , i have made an experiment this week and i put one of my not saled models for free and it actually got three downloads at the same day !
but i think the models needs more advertising .
Self marketing is key on selling. Twitter can be your friend in getting at least your stuff noticed here on the website. On any market, having a large selection of items increases your chances of selling more often. I've sold some designs on CGTrader but due to some limitations with the website, majority of my followers and potential buyers usually end up going to the other sites I post 3d models and 3d printables on.
Personal opinion: I've noticed that some of the pricing here on Cgtrader has a tendency to ward off potential buyers. I'm not trying to put down the designers selling here or the CGtrader website itself. Based on my selling experience, nice product images will improve your chances of selling a product and verify the asking price. If the product image quality doesn't match the price you are asking, your potential for selling that product is low.
So my tip is to ask yourselves if you were a potential buyer of your product would you pay the asking price based on what you see in your product images?
@Moustafa shaheen you have some nice products. Your powerhorse generator, hp lcd monitor, and steering wheel look reasonably priced to what I see in the product images. The office chair looks nice but the quality of the images would make me reason with myself if the price is worth it. Personally I would pay $12 for that chair if I needed that model without much thought. Your other products I've glanced at but if I was looking for these in the search engine I probably would pass over them initially. The red/orange backgrounds is distracting from the product in the images.
@Tanya Wiesner, i am agree with you on many points but disagree on others, let me give you an example, i am on CGT since Dec 29, 2014
and do you know how many sale i have make? 5 ...and i've got 108 3d models at this time and modestly i've got some pretty good models and thumbs, my price never corresponds to the lot of time i spend and to effort which I crossed for made this models but i try to give a Reasonable and affordable price and final result it's 5 sales!!!!......
So, to me, there a problem of reputation (i mean popularity)of CGT on the web and The team should work on it, it's not our job to make some promo for this website who take % on our sale, i think it's for that some artits leave 3d marketplace to build Their own web site and it's really just sad.
I noticed that a great way to increase your chances of getting views on CGtrader is to keep browsing the site and pressing "like" on the really amazing art pieces. There are some really great artworks on here that never make it to the top pics area and that is truly sad because it is so boring to see so much of that photo realistic already been done to death stuff.
People invented cameras so they can reproduce reality, art is more about bringing something that exists and taking it to the next level by improving or stylizing it.
I think that if enough people press the like button on the really great quality models that aren't just technically well executed but that are also unique and true works of art eventually things will change for the better. It needs to be a group effort though because you can only like once per account on each model...
@dollarquid, view" is good, "sale" is better and that some artists looking for!!!
So if you find something, don't hesitated to post ;0)
This place is made by artist for artists, it's a team effort (that's the difference here).
CGt is trying to make a place here for all of us, so that in time we will have a thriving economy amongst us here.
If we give away power (because we expect someone ells to be responsible for something) then usually it ends up feeding a big monster (authority), that is supposedly going to do something good for us.
Usually that authority will just strip away your personality and use your efforts (in an unbalanced way) to feed a big greedy monster.
We can see it happen all around us, it's a small group of very rich people hoe are powerful because so many people give them so much power by submitting their own.
Here we just get the power for almost noting, CGt offers an exceptional set of tools/service, we just need to use them, and eventually the clients will all end up here.
I have made a few sales... I have noticed i had a product up for a month on here and it only had 250 views... if you share the links around facebook + other social media in areas that your products fit in the attention then is brought to your listing on cgtrader in turn building traffic... as designers we need to become slight marketers also (: I did this strategy and went from 250 views in a month to 1000 views the next day to day in a half... its all about the people that get to see it.. we together have to market our designs to drag people to the site at least until it starts getting more popular!
It seems to me that the majority of cgtrader´s customers are young kids with an allowance. How do we advertise on facebook? The steps, please.
In januari I sold double the amount on CGTrader compared to Turbosquid. First time! Also, I find it great we can engage in customer relations directly, sometimes leading to great converstations, extra sales and usefull feedback.
I have now about 40/60 salesrate on cgtrader/turbosquid. Seems like cgtrader is getting more popular :)
Btw does anyone know a good 3th place where i can sell models? Now i am only selling at these two sites.
There's CGRiver, but they upload everything themselves and are reeeeeally slow at it( months). 3D ocean takes 70!%. Creative Crash is third on my list, but sales have dropped a lot the last months. Also trying Unity Asset store (minimal income). I was contacted by Cubebrush, but it seems more for low price products, brushes and reference images. My advice? Save time, stay on CGTrader and Turbosquid. If CGTrader gets around a few bugs and adds extra features (random order thumbnails, enabling products to be put offline, split income,...), it will become n°1.
Ok thanks! Do you have many sales at 3docean and creativecrash compared to cgt and turbosquid ?
Minimal, 1-10% of the sales on TS
in theory I would get around twice as much money from selling a model here to on terbosquid, so im sticking around, just hope it grows, I love how much control you have over everything as a seller on CGT as opposed to TS where you have no control at all...
I can report that my CGtrader account is downing better then my Turbosquid account for this month (first time this happens).
Things are definitely changing for the better here.
I also need to mention that I'm downing more social media coverage and efforts to generate traffic to my CGt account, however it's too early to make prognoses on how effective those effort rely are.
I think the positive results are global on CGtrader (more traffic in general).
There is also notably more activity on the forum.
Also it seems to me that Turbosquit is a little bit in decline.
Maybe news gets round that things are usually twice as expensive over there (for same things you can find here)?
From my last post in this topic all changed there, now there i have much better sales then at TS. New Royalty rate system now work better too. Support Quality at all possible best where i see before, maybe not fast response, but there you feel what support team alive people, not robots(for me its more plus then minus).
PS. Its was not commercial, just see what site take right direction, but it only seller opinion.
I have read all your comments, viewed your portfolios and i can say i'm really lucky to be part of community with such talented artists. I uploaded my first models in late November. In december i had my first sale. In January i had 2 more. And now in February already i had 6 sales! On TS i only had 2 sales this month. I only have 9 models uploaded, 7 for 3D printing, one free and one for CG. I must say that i started with prices of 30$ for my models. I made that price when i compared with other similar models here. I was advised to raise the prices and i did. Now my top selling models are 69$ and 79$. My sales actually got much more frequently after i raised the prices! And i think this site is the best, im pushing it always when i upload new model i publish it on twitter and on facebook and on my portfolio website at artstation i only link CG trader model. Royalty rate is without comparison, also UI is the best. CG trader is my first choice.
Now, for the little critique, is not for CG Trader, is for some of you fellow artists. I'm going to "stick my nose where is not belonging" maybe, but someone have to do it i guess. You have amazing models, and sell them for way to low. I have learned in very short time that people who need 3D model will pay for it. Of course, you cant ask 2000$ for model you spent one or 2 days modeling, but simply consider the time taken to make your model, quality of it, time it took to learn the skill needed to achieve such quality, your hourly rate, and set the price accordingly. You have nothing to loose. This market is not like customer walk in shopping mall and see something he don't need, but decide he will buy it cause it very cheep. If persone need particular 3D model, he will buy it when find the right one even if price is few hundred USD.
tanya_wiesner, you have great models, and you sell your models for 3$, 4$. That is really way to low for anything in this world. Im 100% sure people will buy them if they are 30$ or even more. Why not giving it a try at least for month or two and see what is going to happen?
SuperCigale same for you, my God your models are awesome! Average rigged and textured model is worth at least 199$. Your models could go for 299$ each! You can sell one and earn more then if you sell 5, 6 now. There is even reversed psychology here. When someone see great looking models for very low price, something looks suspicious to them. As i mentioned my sales increased after i raised the prices by more then 120%.
Im noob compared to you people, and i'm sure it's not my place to "give you advises". And i guess you might have your own good reasons and views of the market. But you don't need to be very experienced to see that with this prices your are killing yourselves and the industry. I hope you know i'm writing this with best intentions for all, hope no hard feelings.
Happy selling all
The Main Point Is You Should Put A lot of models So That Can be Sale
And I Can See here Is lot Of People Downloading Free Models And You Can See The Free Models Showing How Much That Downloaded But if You Go To The $Models You Can See 0 Downloads All People Getting Free Models From Google There Is Lot Of Websites Which Giving You Lot Of Free Models So If Something Someone Can Get For Free They Will Never Search For Models To Buy I'm Really Heart Broken Artist I Don't Want To Waste My Time Making Models If There Is No Value For My Work
On the subject of free models, i think i agree. One should give some stuff away. But maybe the solution is to make sure that free models come with an automatic license restriction preventing someone from using them for monetary gain. So that your work you gave away for free is not used to put money in someone else pocket.
That would be a great idea Maroans Vault! It is so easy for people to just download free stuff, make a few mods and then re sell it. It is a terrible thing and everyone is doing it.
The only reason they get away with it is because people are just giving stuff away like it is worthless!
I think the best solution though would be to do what another guy said which was to not give anything away and have coupons available.
If people want to download a model they have to send you a message by email and you can give them a free coupon and then they can download it. This way you know who is getting your models and it is easier to chase down who is steeling.
I only give away free stuff to my close friends or clients who have bought stuff from me before and who earned my respect.
In the beginning I was just as stupid as all the others giving my stuff away but I learned really quickly that doing that has 0 benefits and all losses.
I think CGT should do a survey and ask all artists if they would like this kind of thing implemented and then maybe if more people think it is a good idea and it is because at the very least each artist gets better control over who is downloading their models and could also report to CGT who the free loaders are and kick them off the site for good.
Most important rule of business is bringing in good honest paying clients and getting rid of time wasting freeloaders so if CGT can do that they will be the best Model store on the internet for sure!!
Well, really you can already keep track of who is downloading free models from you. The name of the user who downloads your stuff is given when they do it. Also, I had this thought, though i am not sure how it would be implemented, but, TS has this thing as you know where they "certify" models. Supposedly these models do better in sales. idk if that's true since i primarily use blender and this vetting process of theirs does not include support for blender. (surprise.) But what if we could create a team of people who could do the same thing here? Again, im not sure about implementation. But if we could come up with a system to evaluate and rate the models being put up at the artists' request, then stick a label on there which "certifies" it as a good model, it may help. Thing is that I do see the benefit to sales. It's the same thing as when an auto repair facility labels itself ASE certified. They get more customers. Another idea, though again i don't know how it would be done (at least not without the support of a lot of people here) is to be in communication with new artists when they arrive and see what they're about and steer them away from giving things away. I am not saying i know all. infact i dont. i just started here a month ago and i know still very little about this business and so i read a lot in these forums (and of course, learn a lot) but with all that said, I know it would help me to have feedback from other artists, so i am sure any newcomers would feel the same. encouragement is key i think to preventing what some very clearly fear. Thoughts?
I think your idea is both good and bad. On one side it is great to certify and promote a level of quality but the other side of the coin is that it is extremely troublesome for artists to create all of their models to fit the High end standards required by Turbosquid's standard.
Not all 3D artists want to make high end models or models that qualify for being used in Movies. So many artists just want to create quick but very well built low poly models that can be used by clients to create z - brush sculpts or others may want to create models that are used for 3D printing and neither of those need to fit the Turbosquid requirements to work really well or be considered top quality models.
So if we were to do that one would have to establish new guidelines by which to assess which models are high level and which ones are not.
In my opinion the best models are the ones with perfect geometry with no holes or glitches and all quads but many artists would not agree on that.
So this is really a difficult topic lol
Well you could judge a model to have high quality for its intended purpose
Well the best plan in my opinion would be to get the buyers and CGT to figure out which models sell the best and then create a standard based on that.
Only they would know the truth about which models are truly the most bought and I think in general no one wants to disclose that info simply because if you are doing well and that may be like 2 percent of the modelers on here then you don't want everyone to steal your thunder.
I don't sell anymore I just put my models up here for students who can't afford the high end prices and who need a little help and are still honest enough not to just go out and free load or steal models.
They are the only people I work with. Occasionally I get the low end of the spectrum buyer who is working on a higher end project and doesn't have the budget for the high end models but usually just students.
does anyone know what happens after make a successful sale . I finished a job for aclient and they left an 8 not sure what that was reffering to. Ive left the comment below
"Congrats! The job cute little fiesta items is finished. Your client lotsoflaughing approved this job as done and ranked you 8.
Payment for this job will be paid out with the closest CGTrader payout (until 20th day of upcoming month). "
I guess you got 8 out of 10 and the client was happy with your work. Did you get paid? If you did the work for free and got an 8 I think that is not a good score for working for free.
A few projects but no models. I had better luck with the squid.
Has anyone made money to stabilize life on cgtrader? If so, let people see to learn more and more advanced selling 3D products that stabilize your monthly spending
maybe only half a dozen people can live on their sales here ...
Sales are very unstable. Sorry my bad english.
For example, when I don't uploaded new models, I had 20-40$ of "passive income" per month. But in february 2019 my sales and views minimized down to ZERO. Since february I started to adding new models. And it had some effect. Sales grown to ~100 per month, further it was more. Maximum I got here was ~270 in october 2019. BUT!!! (Very big but) Very big part of that income I got not from sales but working on private projects (honestly, it's sometimes interesting job, but usually it's shit that is needed only by one customer and it's paid not much more than average price of already selling similar or not similar model)And one thing more about private projects: usually customers are craftsmen, and they knows the price of their own hands. Respect to them. But then why this customers thinking that my working hour costs nothing??? Why they trying to reduce price to unacceptable???? And since I focused on private projects (I had false hope to getting more good working reputation), I felt by my ass, that views and sales of my models falls down to hell again.
CGtrader don't gives any hope. And it's OK. But when they got couple of years ago some investitions from big sponsors, they literally spammed modelers with mails with questions like "How fast you can adding new models?" "How many models you can upload more?" and with some pretty hilarious questions about 3D scanning and other technologies. At that moment it looked like CGtrader was very interested in involving more modelers ad in getting more quality models. But now (long time) it not works more. I'm working like a horse, but I'm getting from this working not money, but depression: I HAVE NO HOPE TO MODEL SOMETHING FOR SALE. I can not compete with so called "studios", that uploads HUNDREDS of new models (and usually not as good by quality). But they are on top. They uploads more models per day than I can model in 3-5 years. Hundreds, thousands of fucking 1000 times remeshed, 2000 times stolen before models. Or "models" that was made with help of Matrix or Rhinogold library elements and generated with it's buggy scripts. THOUSANDS of models that (I'm SURE) looking shiny on renders, but are problematic for production. But "studios" still uploading and uploading this crap. Because when you have 3000 crappy models it's way better if you have 100 excellent models (because nobody sees "good" models, but every body are looking on top designers, who are adding and adding models of different and usually bad quality, with lack of information and so forth)
I'm working in jewelry production more than 20 years (from 1998), and since 2003 I got lots of experience in Rapid Prototyping, 3d modeling FOR PHYSICAL PRODUCTION, not for advertising of FX fiddlies-diddlies (but I know that @fiddlies-diddlies@ are much better paid... but it's philosophical point... if people on the market thinks that Low-poly shit for useless games or for dumb visualisation are more useful, than models intended for exclusive or mass production, it's law of Market, it's nature, whatewer... )
I was very glad when results of my modeling for professional artists and jewelers was exposed on numerous exhibitions, fairs etc. I'm proud with results of my modelers life. But when I started to try developing my account on CGtrader and on other stocks, I became strong feeling that I AM BAD MODELER. I AM BAD CRAFTSMAN. I AM BAD DESIGNER. Because my independent life (as modeler, here) says me: IF YOU HAVE NO SALES -- YOU ARE NOT AS GOOD!!!
And I'm looking on statistics and what I'm seeing? Just 1 (ONE) sale in this month (and I newer had more than 22 sales per month). Here is "dynamics": june, july -- 22, august -- 15, september -- 21, october -- 16 (month of sales????? definitely NOT... and just one model was sold since 1.november ).
I'm very disappointed. Whole my life I'm was doing wrong things, got useless experience... and at end I'm not involved in that "Modern Shiny World" of freelancing and model selling. I don't know how to compete in this fucking digital world.
I loved CGtrader. For me CGT was the best of all stocks since I came here. Because Tsquid always and forewer was and still greedy and never had needed tools to making dealing with it clear. Because 3dexport and others always was meaningless (at least in terms of selling 3d-printing models). And I'm feeling that "CGtrader is the new Turbosquirt". It's not bad for CGT (more traffic, more profit). But it's bad for me. And it's bad for hundreds and thousands of "small" modelers sellint their own products, not modeled by "Oompa-Loompas" for studio-"Willy-Wankers"... Laws of market.
Yes. My models are SHIT.
Sorry my bad english once again.
At marpro. How are you advertising your models mate? I have 10k+ views in under 3 months and quite a lot of sales.
@Marpro, I make models to order for games, commercials, movies etc. If I still hold the rights to them I put them up on here after I have already sold them once. When I say advertise, I don't mean to a point where it costs you money. I mean Twitter, Facebook, Own site/ blog, linkedin, Pinterest etc. To answer your "Why not make my own shop?" question, why to bother with all the hassle that goes with it for a few $s more when you can let CG do that stuff and you can get on with what you're good at, making models.
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