Selling printed models

Discussion started by vincentstarjammer

Hello!

If we find people who sell printed copies of the STLs sold here, is that considered illegal, and is it actionable? How and where do we report this?

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Posted 5 months ago
-4

This is absolutely legal. People buy models for printing and it is their right. Number of printed copies are undefinite...

Posted 5 months ago
6

There are some cases where I have allowed someone exclusive rights to a 3d printable model that I created. Usually, these people are jewelers or own a jewelry market of some type. They've requested an exclusive model for molding that they can later use to create custom pieces, etc. Typically, I might charge up to 1000x more for exclusive models than I would for non-exclusive because I know the client is allowed to resell the printed model as often as he wants. That's why the markup on the model is so high. This is rare though and usually done only on a person-to-person basis, or private request. Anything you buy from the marketplaces here is non-exclusive, and therefore can not be resold when printed or fabricated into a real-world item.

Posted 5 months ago
4

I can say only about jewelry.
Depends on what seller wants. Somebody sells printable models without permission to sell printed item. And they have right for that strategy. But I'm selling models that are intended for production and by default it means that I give permission to buyer to print this model, cast in metal and pull it to mass production. For me most important is to not allow reselling of 3d-model. But what my customer does with "hard copy" is not my business. Anyway after printing, mechanical operations, casting and finishing model can look similar to 3d-prototype, but inevitable it will be different physically (in terms of metrology)... So I'm supporting Exact-3d opinion except the part "absolutely legal" (sorry for repeating: I'm allowing for my models to sell printed ITEMS, but not to resell digital copies, for me it's legal/ But for some other designer it can be forbidden and illegal if this designer don't allows to selling printed items, and he is also right... but then I'm don't understand the reason and sense of making and selling printable models, if buyers can print it only 1 time or only for personal purposes... at least for jewelry)

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
What you're asuming is completely irelevant. You're selling your models with cgtrader's royalty free license and it clearly states that reselling physically printed copies of the models is not allowed, as it was pointed by Mineral3D. If you're so generous (or stupid) and don't care if somebody may be making a fortune from your designs, while you got paid less than mcdonalds meal, then you should change the license on your models to custom one and explicitly allow resseling of 3d-printed copies.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
@LemonadeCG I'm not lawyer. And yes, I'm stupid enough to throw on the wind hot-dog priced models. At least those models have chances to be produced more than one time. When somebody bought from me some "generic" model I don't care at all (all those replicas, engagement rings, wedding rings etc.)... And when somebody earns MY design (easter eggs, pins, some rings, etc...) i feel happy despite the knowing that I sold it for very cheap price just because I'll know that somebody will wear something that I created. I'm not marketing genius, but I think if people EVERYTIME are begging about discount or offers 30-50% of my price -- for me it's a sign that selling those models with bigger price could be near impossible. (And at the end I have my own designs that I'm exposing somewhere as renders only, and if somebody will rip those designs, then I'll be fighting against it.) I ideologically don't like "licenses" and "bureaucracy"... All those licenses may worth a lot for big beasts like Autodesk, Adobe, Google etc etc etc, but for "small people" like me licensing brings only the "business fog" and headache. Its my own personal opinion, I'm not trying to tell that my opinion is universal.
Posted 5 months ago
-2

Thank You, Skapricorn, for support... I wrote "This is absolutely legal" - of course it means "sell printed copies of the STLs sold here" as asked by vincentstarjammer. It is not permitted to sell original files of the model...

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
...nor physical prints as it says At least not on here for royalty free models.
Exact-3D wrote
Exact-3D
You will never check did Buyer print and how much models. It is stupid situation - sell 3dmodel and did not give permition to print...
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
It's true - you can't control what buyer does with your model, but that does not mean that it's "absolutely legal" for him to do whatever he wants. There always will be crooks who don't care about licenses, patents, or copyrights, but there's also many honest people who do cares to stay on the legal side. As a seller you shouldn't give hand to crooks.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
And no, it's not stupid - 3d-print models are meant to be printed and everyone who buys them are free to print them out, but they can't make business out of that without explicit permission from model's owner. Leran the basics, don't be a simpleton!
Exact-3D wrote
Exact-3D
Unfortunately, I produce 3d model for jewelry. It means that Buyer will print and produce this model in metal (gold, silver...). Will it sell this jewelry? Or will do it only for yourself? I am not stupid - I really know that my models will be sold... Unfortunately without of my interest. And there are not any mechanisms to control such production. May be another situation with PBR models for video, game, etc...
Posted 5 months ago
4

Some marketplaces has multiple licenses system in place where seller can sell the same item with different licenses and different prices. Customer then can choose if he wants pay less for the model and be able to print and use it for personal use only, or if he wants to resell 3d-printed asset, but pay significantly higher price to seller for the model. At cgtrader however, seller can chose one, or another, but not both. Alternatively he can publish a model twice with different license and pricing. Nevertheless, one must remember that by default, reselling 3d-printed copies is not allowed.

Posted 5 months ago
4

As it has already been said, in point 21 of the terms and conditions, it is not allowed to print the models, except as a minimum part of a whole and only for models that are original, not replicas of other designs. If you want to expand the permitted use, you must use a personalized license. But in no case can you print models that are counterfeits of jewelry models that are owned by others (Cartier, Bulgari, Van Cleff and Alpels, Damiani, Tiffany, Versace ...), and that include your brand, because it is a crime. At most these models must be sold with an editorial license, which of course does not allow printing or mass production. Those companies, in addition to having their trademark, also register their designs to avoid precisely this. And those if they initiate legal actions, which is why they have a team of lawyers on payroll.

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