CGtrader is finally at the place it deserves to be
Did a website ranking check today and it was very interesting.
CGtrader has finally thrown Turbosquit of its first place, (https://imgur.com/a/VuizVNL)
Don’t know what exactly went on but at Turbosquid there was a clear drop in the traffic for 3 consecutive months (from April til June) while CGtrader traffic from then on went up for 3 consecutive months and surpassing Turbosquid.
The results show more page views, longer visits and smaller bounce rate for CGt.
Also interesting to see its more popular in the US, basically beating Ts on its own ground.
It seems David has finally beaten Goliath,
I am surprised that this wasn't happened earlier, regarding what kind of attitude TS have towards everything. They will bury themselves.
The results are even more impressive on Alexa:
TS is going down fast for the past 3 months and that is most likely the reason for their risky move with the new agreement, which is very likely to backfire at them if more Artists realize what kind of power they are actually giving to TS over their own models by agreeing to it.
It's incredible that CGT has surpassed TS, even in the US. I've moved to CGT almost a year ago and sales were immediately higher. Now TS pulls this really low blow and i really hope it backfires on them. I've turned all my models offline on TS except for one: the triple blessed box.
Check it out here, it's awesome: https://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/1635117
A few months ago they were concerned at TS because CGT was the second, now they will no longer have that concern
So ironic, TS trying to beat CGT, and CGT without even trying takes the lead.
Looks like other Artists started leaving TS too.
Total number of models there has fallen with 300 for less than 24 hours.
(on average ~200 models are uploaded there daily)
It is a great news of course, but, unfortunately, it is just a rough statistic which tells us nothing about a real money goes trough this, mentioned marketplaces, and about a "quality" of clients in comparison there and here.
I mean that without regulation of prices "expensive" clients will quickly turn into "cheap" ones.
You may ask "Why it will be happing?". Well, TS, as I know it, have an instrument to regulate prices on selling 3d content meanwhile here is no one and so day to day the price damping among 3d artists here will be stronger and stronger.
I think TS within a little span of time as they start to loose money will change ther vision and to their conditions and royalties. I do not think anyone would deal with they again though.
TS doesn't regulate prices (they were in the past, but that didn't work).
There is only $5 minimum price.
The reasons prices are higher there are mainly that they give the lowest royalties to artists + there is up to 30% withholding tax on top of that for US sales (depending on the country you reside in).
On the other hand, the main reason prices are low on CGT is because from the beginning till ~1 year ago they didn't had almost any control on the model thieves (those just sell everything they can get from free and warez sites and sell it for the minimal price possible).
That massively drove prices down over the years.
Now CGT had made a big cleanup - a lot of thieves were banned and there is more strict control on that. However the damage was done and I'm not sure how much time it will take for the market to heal.
You are right that customers become cheap when they get used to low prices, but price regulations from the market is very hard to implement correctly.
The market should self regulate if there is (relatively) fair competition.
Sorry, but there is nothing hard to realize it in the case if such task would be in a to do list.
The market unfortunately is unable to do it by themself when there is even one who is OK to work for $1 per hour and sell their models for $2.
If a person do it, that indicates just that this individuum completely do not understand that such prices are bad not just only to themself but to all artists/freelancers. They must be told about it with a thoroughly explanation about why it's so bad.
Clients, on the other hand, in their vast majority do not understand what the difference between one model from another but which is cheaper.
Now the market as well as freelancing is dying. Only when marketplaces and freelance platforms will finally star to understand that when artist/freelancer make more per project/sale they also will make more it may be changed.
That is absolutely true, but as I said TS did price regulation in the past and if I remember correctly Matt Wisdom words - it was a disaster.
I'm all in to explore the concept though.
If you think it's easy, let's discuss, we may get somewhere.
Imagine you are CGT CEO:
You have millions of models on the site, each one with different complexity and quality, 500 new ones are added daily.
How do you proceed in implementing price regulations?
I have what to say about TS, and how it works, but I'd prefer to leave it untouched. All the solution they have implemented it is a way to all to end up as TS will do.
Next, I think there already is a CEO who gets his salary to think about it. I don't sure whose field of thinking is it though. CEO or someone else.
Only one I am willing to say that there is nothing is possible in the situation as it is at this moment here: anyone can do everything they want.
It is true that the way things are, everything is quite anarchic, but CGT has done its part.
A huge part of the problem comes from the technological possibilities, anyone can take someone's model and sell it somewhere more or less recommended.
This can result in a significant loss, then there are the newbies, they lack security and confidence in themselves and in their work, so they lower prices without realizing that nobody benefits, not even themselves.
As has been said, only a kind of union that brings together artists will be able to exert some kind of pressure, this organization would be a valid interlocutor.
But I would not forget that CGT is already a company that relies more on creators than clients, the philosophy at its birth, is precisely to grant more power to artists, and work from those needs, I think they have indicated the route and it is our task to navigate to the destination.
Hey guys, there is a person who is asking why he sees a lot of negative votes for his 2-dollars-price models.
I think that any price control from market site is not realistic and couldn't never work.
Look like "low poly" badget is not working properly - you can see some high-poly models marked as "low-poly". Can you imagine that some stuff would evaluate 500 models daily on professional basis? Or could you imagine some automated process? Non-sense.
1 thing which I admitt that TS does well is that price is important sorting criterium. So fraudulently priced items (from thieves or amateurs) are listed on last pages of market catalogue.
This is in my opinion good tool how to "force" artists to price their models adequately.
When 2$ items are placed on last pages of best much search result.
Otherwise I also congratulate CGT for getting stronger position.
zabotlama, it seems that you contradict to yourself. You started with saying that it is non-sense to evaluate 500 models daylily, but below you stated that it is possible (obviously by someone) to evaluate fraudulently priced items to put them on the last pages. at the first.
The second one, to "force" artists to price their models adequately, means that such state of things (applying restrictions) has to be public information. Otherwise it'd work only to increasing of profit of the mentioned marketplace and stimulation of their "right" artist.
Why then there is so many of artists still down their prices in trying to increase their income?
Also, If it would be the public information then obviously buyers would start their searching from the end of the list.
If there were no CGT, TS would be the only option.
And it is a world in which I would not like to live, I feel a kind of rejection towards commercial practices that ignore the role of artists.
Because art has always been the main engine of the economy, giving up that role makes our work depreciate, we cannot expect some business sharks to understand this, mainly because we ourselves do not understand the value of our work.
It is the creation of works of art that gave rise to hundreds of trades and crafts over the centuries, building a cathedral gave work to all kinds of artisans, who often came from other places, and could be established because a cathedral could take two centuries to be finished.
Ideas such as "the sphinx" served as the engine for the creation of all kinds of works in stone, wood and metal.
We have to take back our place.
About the fuss around low prices,
It never hurts to inform inexperienced sellers that low pricing is not always the best strategy to optimize income. You can tell them every product has a given set of buyers and very low or a higher price does not make much difference to that number, best to find the sweet spot and gain most from your work. There is no point in providing a 2 dollar commercial license to someone who would have payed 50 dollars with no hesitation, etc. etc.
However, imposing price regulations is probably not the best way forward. In the end, market regulates itself (its demand and supply that regulates price). If supply surpasses demand (and that's whats happening here in the over saturated category's) then prices fall. Also, the effects of fraudsters is a separate problem that needs separate solutions, price regulations is not going to have any effect on those anyways (on contrary, they actually gonna do better because low price alarm is gone).
If CGtrader impose price regulations or ban free models or whatever, then markets outside it would get the people that look for those types of items (no point in diverting traffic away from here).
What could be done is mathematically measure the relation between price changes and sales conversions, but isn't that what CGt already is doing with its discount system? As far as I know CGt implemented that to selectively put discount on models and measure the performance difference? Eventually motivate the sellers to adjust upward or downward?
Maybe it would have more effect showing the results of such measurements to the seller in form of a price recommendation (not force it upon them). The problem is, what are you going to do when the measurement results recommends you to lower your price? (that's what gonna happen when your in heavy saturated category). At some point in there the results of the measurements would make no sense because most of the models in there would have hit rock bottom because of its oversupply. The only one that gets the sales in there would be the one that trows a 100 of those types of models in a single bin and sell it for 10 dollars.
Remember, CGtrader was the first to provide artists with in depth analytics about the market (the demand and supply in it) to help get insight on where to find next value.
Just know that whatever you do, your stuff will devalue in time.
Never liked the Squid. All the advertising I've seen from CGT and Sketchfab looks like they will be battling it out in the end.
i think client will find the quality model either here or there. does not matter who's is wiing the race. i have more sell in TS then CGT. but as a artist i am happy for CGT and its is best because of ROYALTY rates and quick supports. BEST of LUCK CGT. keep rocking.
@uzairali as long as your on both sites its very hard to make sense of the data, you might think Ts makes more sales but large part of it is swinging own clients one or other direction. Just know there are no extra Ts customers, everyone has at least two accounts and buy where they happen to be logged in. I did the test long time ago and all my sales went up here, didn't lose any clients and earn way more now. Also gained better ranking because having all the sales here. Competing against own profiles in contrast to sellers that rank-up/focus on one profile gives you disadvantage, especially when other palace is that expensive. Also think about your Google ranking, you simply lose allot of money, at least I did for sure. Not to mention the platforms themselves fighting to get the sale and put downward pressure on prices for everyone living on both of them.
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