CGTrader is taking our models for their Ai app whit no compensation to us !!!

Discussion started by labicko

If you did not noticed, CG-T sent us an email about their new Ai platform, where they are using our models to generate profit whit no compensation for us what so ever. So they are not using the 3D models and our render images for training the Ai (if we should believe their word) that is a gray area on its own, but even worse they are using actual 3d models in their app to generate image. So they are taking all of our models for free and spit in our face telling us that we have to accept.

I advice everyone to delete all the files they have on the platform and leave. Also there are people who will start an organization to start a legal battle as they deserve to be punished for this kind of act.

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Posted 4 months ago
-2

I haven't received any email... apart from this, no one is safe for the AI about 2D images... for 3D data instead there should be a request whether to participate or not...

Posted 4 months ago
-3

Maybe at first you should better learn for whom and for what purpose this platform was created before hysterical yelling that you were robbed and deceived.

Posted 4 months ago
1

I received a personal email from CGT about this and this is what I was told:
1) Its not used to train AI
2) If your products are chosen you are compensated for them (if you wish to participate)
3) Its a 3 month trial for their new AI product (basically 3D for people who dont know how to do 3D). If its a success then they will write a full legal FAQ which you can participate yes/no, they will not take your products from you without consent.

Posted 4 months ago
2

Wow. Bold accusations without all the facts.

Posted 4 months ago
0

First of all Ai image generators are not something that is legal, what is the difference between taking 2D image whit no consent and taking our 3D models ???? Or is it OK to take other people stuff as long as they do not take my? So as far as legality goes picture is very clear. If they have no problem taking one people stuff trust me they will not have any problem taking our stuff as well. Adobe took everything from their stock and did not pay a penny and are not planning to pay anyone anything.

Second you can not take someone's property and say I will give you couple of penny's if I want, when I want. You first ask if this is OK and then you can take it.

So again they are taking our 3D models whit no consent to generate a profit, they did not ask us if we want to participate they just took it. And if you learn anything from other platforms we will not get anything. The only difference is that when an image is use as a training data, that is hard to prove as you will need access to the training data and they are not obliged to show us that, at list until EU law gets in place. Here is very easy to see if your model is being used by them so it way more easy to start a legal process.

If they are doing a demo then they could have purchased a 1000 models and play around whit that.

jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
You already filed a lawsuit against Adobe with their Neural Filters?
ebalstudios wrote
ebalstudios
I just deleted all of my 3D models with CGTrader. They simply can no longer be trusted. No need to waste time discussing them.
Posted 3 months ago
0

Hello everyone :) I am here to clear some things up so we can all avoid speculating.

CGDream is our latest app that combines 3D models with AI to generate 2D visuals.

How are 3D models used?
They are ONLY used as guides for the composition of the final image. The 3D models or any other type of your data are not used for AI training. For now CGDream only uses free models that are available for anyone to download on CGTrader. We are not using paid content without permission or payment to the designer.

What about paid 3D models?
CGTrader will soon offer designers to sell their 3D models to CGDream users. This helps designers make more money from their best models and also safeguard their art, as buyers can't download the models, only use them in CGDream.

Since users with no 3D background can use CGDream with 3D models, paid or free, this is a great opportunity for 3D designers to create a brand new source of income on CGDream by sharing the content to even more professionals and hobbyists.

We have already started gathering paid content for CGDream and many designers are very happy to participate. For anyone interested in monetizing further their 3D models just go to comingsoon.cgdream.ai , give us your email and we will soon contact you.

For more information visit our blog post https://www.cgtrader.com/blog/cgtrader-introduces-cgdream-advancing-2d-image-creation-with-ai-and-3d-models

Or go directly on www.cgdream.ai for a first hand experience.

mak21 wrote
mak21
Hello Thanos... I ask a question. 1_ If I understand correctly, with premium subscriptions users can upload their 3D models and integrate them into the Ai generation. 2_Obviously all free 3D models here or elsewhere can be inserted into the simulation without asking permission from the authors as they are already free models. best regards. Mak21
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Really? Just because a model is free doesn't mean that it can be used any way without permission.
willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
To point out the obvious Ai does not know what's original and is unable as far as all tests I've done none have ever that I can find or test none can figure out or find the original, so the human must be responsible for checks.. Designing a thing yourself or Ai doing it is NOT how to prove its original or whether you can upload it , give it away, sell it, list it for sale.. I'm undefeated by any Ai to date as far as finding the original thing goes. Even A gpt type i played recently resorted to faking results even fake owners. Which if used in business can and should result in close down for piracy. It is up to the user to take responsibility for checks, I hope Cgtrader gets this right. A lot of newbs might get issues if it's not clear. .
ebalstudios wrote
ebalstudios
First, the way you handled this by defaulting to AI and designers having to opt out manually does not indicate trust. Secondly, even with free models, you have no right to "automatically" include them, not everyone would give you permission to redistribute. For those who do not understand this point, let me reiterate. A free 3D model is posted to be used by other artists, it is NOT posted for re-distribution. For example, you cannot just download a 3D model, then go and post it on your website for others to download it. Ownership remains with the original creator. He can decide at any point to sell that 3D model or stop distributing it or change the terms. Thirdly, it's beyond naive to promote that artist will make money of this. The sales from AI will be miniscule in contrast to the damage done. I had a free 3D model on CGTrader and I will be on the lookout at CGTrader and your AI platform so that I can file a law suit if I found it used. You know, DMCA takedowns, removal from Google search indexing and international law suits are easier than ever now and can be done at a very low cost. Not to mention that it's very easy to rally people online and completely discredit your AI platform as one which is using stolen content without the consent of the original authors.
Posted 3 months ago
-3

all very interesting... obviously we know that without a talent for composition... it will just be a tool to generate variations upon variations.... but these solutions are also welcome... I'm curious to know the compensation for the artists in the future .... I think it will be related to use of their contents. if you sell subscriptions for $10 they will be a few $ or cents.... we'll see how it will be in the future....
Thanks for the explanations...

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
Currently the sale price is 1.5x your current price for that model. So not subscription based. Maybe after they do the trial that could change however its a one time sale fee. I thought about this for awhile myself and was hoping that it would be subscription based, but now I think about it more my thoughts are - well if you sold the model it could be used in lots of different situations anyway so at least the 3D asset itself cannot be downloaded so why not give it a shot. If its worth it ill stick with it, if not then change strategy of course. By signing the agreement you don't sell all of your models, only the ones that are specifically chosen for the platform. Obviously CGT make the most of the profit in this scenario but if you are already selling that content then its just another form of income, if you are not then you finally get some income lol. Not entirely win-win but is a potential source of income (once off) that may be interesting to some users. I always like to stick my fingers in the pudding and see what happens, you never know what the future holds. Otherwise you can choose to do what you like.
willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
I'm new on posting here but are you all aware that there's only one site you can MIGRATE your things to? If the newbs on this thread or site thing they can delete there things from here and then just upload them to a new site let me say this, you might have just got nailed, and lost the ownership of all your things and may be required to delete them from your new site, you may be required to give back all money to the "shark " owner who saw fresh fodder and has licensed with a upload date between your today's upload and the shark who now owns it since six months ago. I see this on mass and its a quite frenzy. Silence is key, youtube has this shark tool to keep info from newbs. You don't tell food how to get away
Posted 3 months ago
-3

thanks for the explanation 3DCargo ....

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
youre welcome ...
Posted 3 months ago
2

@3DCargo, is that one time payment that cgtrader pays for designer for the right to use their model unlimited times, or is that amount that AI service user pays to cgtrader for right to use that particular model? It's quite confusing. In any case, such pricing seems quite odd to me. I think subscription would make more sense, although that probably would make difficult for cgtrader to calculate the royalties to designers.

I'm not rushing to throw my models to that service. Maybe later, when i see if it's somewhat popular, at the moment all that AI craziness seems utterly useless to me.

willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
I'm new on this thread but long time player. Just one of my things is aprox 250 mill in turn over and zip royalties paid, not cgtraders fault but would I take a 5 dollar one time payment? Clearly not.
Posted 3 months ago
1

@LemonadeCG:
one time payment that cgtrader pays for designer for the right to use their model unlimited times

Yep.

@LemonadeCG:
or is that amount that AI service user pays to cgtrader for right to use that particular model?

I have no idea what they pay cgtrader. I assumed it means: You sell your model to CGT (whichever they pick) like a normal customer, but you give them the rights to use it in their AI thing. (unlimmited use for each model purchased)

@LemonadeCG:
It's quite confusing. In any case, such pricing seems quite odd to me. I think subscription would make more sense, although that probably would make difficult for cgtrader to calculate the royalties to designers.

Yep agree, a subscription would make more sense. I dont know how difficult it would be, I would assume CGT have done their research and its potentially beneficial for them and their customers. It could also be beneficial for sellers here, I dont sit on one side or the another, everyone has the option to sell their content as they wish. It could pay off, it might not, its a risk some are willing to take.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Thanks for the answers! That clears things up. It looks like the system is set up for designers to lose. Cgtrader will buy some ultra cheap models for $3 and will be milking them forever.
tobiasrieper wrote
@LemonadeCG and 3DCargo Is cgdream user who generate Ai images using models bought here allowed to sell those images as stock photography for example ?
3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
@LemonadeCG - Maybe, I would guess they only need around 500 or so models to begin with. I dont really know how it all works yet since its all still quite new so probably color variations are included free for the customer, maybe its a success and they need more models, but there is certainly a ceiling at some point. @tobiasrieper - Not sure, they have some use cases in the link that Thanos mentioned above, seems able to be used for commercial purposes. I dont know about re-selling, I'm sure they will clear all that up once it becomes a thing. I had quite a few questions which the answers to were quite unclear at this stage as they are still testing it.
Posted 3 months ago
1

Hi everyone, thank you for your comments and feedback! It is great to hear your opinions and understand your thinking when it comes to AI and usage of 3D models.

I wanted to add additional clarifications regarding the usage of your 3D models in CGDream.ai. We are fully aware that AI is a very sensitive topic and we are aim to use it in a way that brings the most benefits to designers.

We believe CGDream.ai can open a new revenue stream for you and please note:
1) We do not use any paid models there without your explicit consent.
2) We use selected free models in the app as it is permitted by our terms (and any other user and app creator would be able to use it that way, as these models are not used for AI training).
3) We have offered a selected group of designers a one-off fee to showcase their models on CGDream for a pilot period of several months, while we promote and kickstart CGDream to bigger volumes.

After this period, we aim to provide a way for each CGDream user to purchase / license the models they want to use on CGDream so that we maximize your revenue. CGTrader is buying a select set of models only for the initial period to showcase the app's features and see how users are interacting with them, but this is not the business model we plan for CGDream, instead our goal is to unlock a new client base for you that would pay for using your models. I hope this clarifies our approach - please let me know if you have any other comments or questions!

Posted 3 months ago
1

Who else got this email? lol and so it begins...

We are seeing multiple parties willing to purchase your models for Generative AI. To make the process seamless, we are automatically changing our default license into being AI-friendly so that the interested parties can start purchasing your models. This license will permit using the models for AI training and unlock new business models and future monetization opportunities that make the most of the changing AI landscape.

We believe AI can be used to benefit the artists in a transparent and designer-friendly way and strive to help you maximize the income you get from your model portfolio. However, if you prefer otherwise, you retain complete control and can opt out of the AI-friendly license by choosing NO-AI license at any time.

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
FYI this is just a snippet from the email, not the entire email. So please dont take it out of context, but its fairly clear either way.
ebalstudios wrote
ebalstudios
I deleted all of my 3D models instantly form CGTrader. I distrust CGTrader so much now that I doubt if they will attempt to steal the 3D models without permission.
Posted 3 months ago
10

Cgtrader CEO "we are fully aware that AI is a very sensitive topic". Week later changes default license to AI embracing without any warning. While most other marketplaces makes significant efforts to restrain exploitation of designers by generative AI owners, cgtrader is ready bend over backwards to please its enterprise clients. It's funny how they used to position themselves as people's marketplace and now they turned to be as evil as their main nemesis used to be.

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
Not to mention just last week being told: "We are happy to announce that we are making your payout experience faster and better! To ensure you receive your earnings more quickly and efficiently, we are transitioning to Hyperwallet, a top tier payout solution by PayPal. As part of this upgrade, please note that previous payout methods are now unavailable. " Oh yeah, huge "upgrade"!. I love an 'upgrade' that makes me do extra work just to get paid as per usual... I dont know whats going on but with how many things on plate I rather a few less to be honest. AI, Google and Hyperwallet changes, not to mention the other crap Ive got to keep up to date with, my god I think I need an AI assistant lol. I think I'm getting old, I'm scared to even buy a new pair of headphones because I have to install something on my phone which sits in my top draw 95% of the time lol.
dalia-lasaite wrote
LemonadeCG, thank you for the comment. I want to emphasize that you have full control over the model license, we see it as a big opportunity and want to make sure designers who are interested are compensated fairly. We are not doing any AI related deals for the next two weeks, to make sure everyone who wants has a chance to opt out. I hope this clarifies the issue, designer-friendly is in our DNA since the beginning and we are still working very hard to bring all possible opportunities for designers - but fully understand if you are not interested as well
dalia-lasaite wrote
3DCargo, indeed, there have been quite a lot of announcements recently as we've been working to improve the marketplace. Regarding Hyperwallet, we fully appreciate it is extra work for you, but this will be bringing faster payments, and any savings in payment fees will be passed to designers. I agree it is a bit annoying to do register on Hyperwallet / Paypal, but hopefully you will be seeing benefits soon
3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
Yeah me too @dalia-lasaite. Its all done now and wasnt too hard so I'm glad. My point was that some of us have a lot going on, especially around Christmas and its just the worst time to be rethinking about financial decisions. For example I have all my yearly licences to pay, website bills, I'm also moving country, having to consider tax implications etc, just life stuff. So my point was having more things on top of that is not fun. But it is what it is. Thats life I suppose.
ebalstudios wrote
ebalstudios
They are far more evil in my opinion. They just sent the E-mail about AI so casually as if they assumed everyone is OK with it (playing dumb) which in fact they most certainly knew it was an issue. They even sent the E-mails in batches so that they avoid the fiasco of some other stores where artists banded together. Signing up for CGTrader was a huge huge mistake. I am going to write a blog about it and if I have time will make a youtube video. I regret so much wasting time with this establishment.
willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
Hi from Will and Mr Data:):] 3d print thing license king no less. This is fascinating, I've got models here, I've not given any concepts that I'm aware of. I'm up on some Ai guff, they can't tell what's original. I'm undefeated by any Ai in finding original thing on net I call it a game now. A recent game against a gpt type it faked the final answer including owners, clever but when I finished game by finding thing which took me the best player 48 hours to find just one thing. Not the 990 pirates and wring answers that are not proven for commercial use. There art can't be used for commercial gain until a human checks the net to see if it's already owned. Designing a thing is not how to check if it's already been invented and owned already. Newbs on mass get there things taken here's how, they all think they can delete there thing and then upload it to a new site, that's how the sharks get things on mass scale, go check lists when this uis going on and watch. Shark rule 1 don't tell food how to get away. Youtube has a great hide posts feature being used in grim ways. To MIGRATE a thing to a new website the upload date of today's upload is matched to original. Only one site left operating so I hope those newbs went there because else they all might have lost everything they own. They can be required to delete the new upload because a shark now owns it. The newb gave up ownership by deleting it. Uploading later is no good. All monet made can be required to be given back to shark owner. This entire page is reading Like a sharks lunch of those leaving. They won't be told. Silence us the number one tool. I'm king and kings prerogative to kick the barrel first to be sporting. I'm not here sharing these poor newbs but believe me from my bite marks they won't be as generous or well feed. Let me know your fresh take on this thread and do you feel cgtrader has gone bad ? Or has this played out OK? What say you? Just one of my things may have 250 million aprox in turn over and no royalties paid to me. I don't think it's cgtraders fault, geez I hope not. I've had fairly good service, a few issues but I'm on the front edge so expect some questions. But this is a new area and I'd not take $5 one time payment on my things clearly. I've not given permission. I have NA on my models I'm actually here wondering what that is.
Posted 3 months ago
0

@ jaguarbeastproduction for the free models it is not clear.... because I am sure that those who download them use them in their works....
so you will see that they will also end up in the Ai.... here or elsewhere...

jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
I am against whipping up any hysteria, about AI in particular. I have already written more than once about my attitude about AI and CGT Team in general, I see no point in repeating myself.
dalia-lasaite wrote
Hi mak21, AI usage is not allowed for users who download free models, so it automatically defaults to No-AI version
Posted 3 months ago
1

Well, the technology of "cgdream.ai" looks really cool, to be honest.
However, I'm not sure how I feel about Character models being used for this. From what I've seen elsewhere, people are using Ai Image generators to create hundreds, and thousands of images of the same character, or similar looking characters, and flood the internet with these images, trying to sell image packs, building "virtual influencers", and what not. Basically, trying to make a profit with little effort. These people are not hobbyist or casual enthusiasts, who just want to create a cute image to hang on their walls. They want MONEY!, easy money. Not to mention the issue with NSFW imagery...
The problem I see, is that if the internet is flood with images of a 3d Character I made, then suddenly the 3d model itself becomes cheap and less exclusive. So fewer people are going to be interested in buying a model that they have seen many times in other places.
I think I am going to opt out of the Ai thing, at least for the characters models that I consider sensitive, and the ones that I would like to be perceived as "exclusive".

willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
The ability to sell the ownership is so limited now with only 1 site left proven operating to sell ownership. Cults3d. There's no other operating choice left now. They are sure draining all other sites. I've vetted over 60 sites. They all draining one. The job security of the business using those things held by them. Once there. To sell ownership you'd have to MIGRATE there and have upload date matched to original. Don't just delete your thing and think you can upload it today you might well find as so many do you just gave up ownership altogether and may be required to remove your pirate upload. Transfer of ownership is only at cults3d all other sites remain down folded collapsed or what ever excuses they say. Dog ate my homework is about the size of some. Basic services such as sales are very thin very very thin. I spent every day for a year working on getting services back on anywhere for all community. By the way Ai can't tell what's original yet, try it. I'm undefeated by any Ai to date, I keep playing them.
Posted 3 months ago
1

One interesting thing to consider, is to offer the designers the option of making models exclusively for Cgdream. Since these Ai models would only be used to create 2d images, it is not necessary to create UVs, or care about retopology, edge flow, texturing, hair, detailed clothing, or many other tedious 3d tasks that are needed to create a traditional "good quality" model. I imagine the Ai generator can create and change all the surface details, so the only really important thing is the actual form and shape of the object.
This would mean we, as designers, could create many more models in less time, if we don't have to worry about all the technicalities, and the only objective is to make something with a cool design/shape.

I would be interested in creating characters exclusively for Cgdream, if that means for example not having to create hair, which I find always to be tedious. I could just sculpt a quick volume for the hairstyle, and let the Ai create the detail hair. That would be really cool.

willandmrdata wrote
willandmrdata
I'm the undefeated champion against Ai in finding original thing on net. My last contest it took me 48 hours to find one thing. There is no way a newb could have checked that many models overnight so I'd love to check it for piracy. I bet he's foolishly uploading and no checking and about to cause lots of others to be closed if they use the file, closed for piracy like I was for that reason. If I saw a user uploading mega models I'd check that. In my last game the thing was below 990 pirate uploads and thief farms and things not proven to be allowed to be used for commercial gain. If someone uses a Ai tool to design a thing and uploads it right then I ask did he really check it. I can check and submit the actual owners license which of course would prefer date the pirate. This is a issue for fake instant quotes from print farms. I'm an unbeaten expert against Ai and only a few if any humans have ever got there first. So I say watch moving to sites and loosening ownership. Watch those checks. A check is a search and sort Combine all results and sort by oldest first. 3dmdb Yeggi Stlfinder Google Net. Remember find a random thing on one site and reading it's license is not how to perform the check. Drawing a thing does not prove its original or whether you may upload it even to give it away.
Posted 3 months ago
3

Thank you for posting, I just received their E-mail and instantly deleted all of my 3D models from this store.

Posted 3 months ago
2

It's a shame what the CGTrader team is doing here. These people belong behind bars. We have relied on CGtrader for our end customer and visualization projects so far, this is the last time we will buy anything through this site.

Posted 3 months ago
0

I sure hope finding a equitable way through is achieved, worked towards.
I'm concerned for newbs that don't know how to Migrate there things ownership if they go to leave this site or that only 1 site is currently operating as far as I'm aware and I've been at this a decade or more.
Cults3d is the one choice as far as any proof of operating services go, all other sites have folded up or whatever there wording, even if they appear there that don't mean it's operational.
It's one way traffic folks , but hay I'd love, love love love to see anyone prove me wrong and find any other site resumed of the over 60 sites I personally vetted and influences I deal with, so feel free to help me and communities get more sites operating. Sales is a basic and a bit of a shock to some people to hear there's one choice.
All licensed 3d print thing non commercial licenses and as far as I can find out
Cnc milling,
Laser cutting
Cgi,
All your models from whatever site we are from and including Cgtrader can only currently to the best of my knollage be SOLD as in selling the ownership of your thing if you MIGRATE it to Cults3d.
The Migrate is basicly done when upload date gets matched to original by the site.
Once your thing is in they may request exclusive hosting to enable sales.
Think about that carefully. Especially if considering deleting your original or other hosted versions.
Cgtrader has not ever had the Migrate thing in nor Transfer thing with upload date matched either.
But this site I thought had been doing OK..
Even if as each thing gets sold it is going to end up at cults3d.
All the sites are being drained into cults3d as far as I can tell.
That's my opinion based on being at this since before Thingiverse existed.
I do hope Cgtrader can be successful for us all.
Going first at new stuff can be very difficult I know from years of going first. My hair loss tells that story.
So I get it's tough to break ground.
There has been mass migration of the community on mass before for various reasons.
I only went on holiday for a short while and what the heck.
I sure hope you've all not left and the site is unwavering on whatever the scene was.
I'd live a brief recap of this from you now.
It was all going so well when I left.
OK other areas of our sectors need serious help.
Ha and I'm still finding things when Ai ain't.
It don't know what's original.
Drawing it is not how to prove it so we can't just upload at that point, I'm the best at finding original thing and in latest games I call them I took 48 hours to find one thing. Under the 990 pirates and scum farms and wrong answers that are not proven for use. Find a random thing on a site and reading it license is not how the check is done.
Anyway this is all fascinating and considering my things and just one has sold aprox 250 million dollars with royalty of 1 or 2% the sales didn't happen on cgtrader but they should have paid here, I don't think I'm taking payments elsewhere on that particular thing. My point I'm wishing all nice success and to be well.
I do have concerns of course as i do want cgtrader to be a success for us all.
I have concerns for newbs not moving things correctly and not knowing they actually lost ownership and don't even know it yet, I've seen that to many sad times already.
I'd hate to not know and be told I didn't loose it I gave it away. Newbs give things to sharks constantly, you can watch a new thing be seen and then if you know to look you can see a shark get that ownership. It was given away freely.
Sometimes big numbers of newbs are moving for any number of reasons and a quiet frenzy takes place.
It's obvious to not tell food how to get away.
As king in my sector it's my prerogative to say.
Cgtrader has been rated by me at number 2 of at least 60 sites vetted.
Services, no Migrate things in.
No Transfer things between users, so for ownership sales you must go elsewhere if I'm not mistaken.
Then things remain trapped out to perform Migrate in and Transfer to other user, as I understand it.
Cgtrader has in the past had good customer services.
And did well with difficult things.
I thought stuff was looking up.
Went on holiday. Came back to Seen this and would love another updated view.
Well there's my 5c opinions.
What say the?

VityaB wrote
VityaB
My man, you don't need to put a space after every sentence.
3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
No idea have what I just read, but entertaining it was, hmm.
Posted 3 months ago
2

Multiple threads here about the same issue. It looks like there is NO admin responsible on this forum to bundle it.

However, even that´s why I make a double post.

In regards to this AI discussion, I rejected to join it till now, but I see I shall because it could have a small impact.

Yes, the issue with AI is that if in wrong hands it can bring airplanes to crash, manipulate our smartphones, produce politically dangerous deep fakes that can cause unrests in targeted countries by manipulating brains of unstable people. Therefore AI is of course dangerous, but we shall not feed it.

Things generated by AI have a visible AI mark on the forehead. Of course also 3d models. AI tries to imitate things with alluring perfection. Buyers however need real world context and not this AI fabricated Hollywood BS. It will need much more than Gemini 1.0 or ChatGPT to replace us.

Maybe it´s time to start ignoring the hyper-hysteria about AI, because that´s what "they" want.
They want you to be scared.
Just ignore any lures and temptations to fall into panic and don´t join the AI movement at all.
You can still sell stuff here on CGT with NoAI tags.
I myself just let this AI generated stuff for the NFT Art scammers.
I make my NoAI tag in every model and write the text "NoAI: This model may not be used in datasets for, in the development of, or as inputs to generative AI programs.". All I can do, and I still sell something till today with it.

Regards
RM

Posted 2 months ago
0

Hi. I've come back to see if any new posts. My recent thoughts are, I don't like having any company update me with a opt out button I'm ment to notice, and when my value is involved it's usually not impressing me. Based on a otherwise good history I'm giving time for this complex.
The top site according to me remains cults3d because of services offered.
Ive vetted over 60 sites like this.
The services in my opinion that put cults above the rest is
1. MIGRATE a thing into the site, upload dates matched.
2. TRANSFER thing to another user account within the site, upload date matched, so we can sell the ownership.
I have experience of Ai types and to date I've found NONE that can design an original thing on there own because they are yet to be able to find out if it's original.
I have a bet going that Mr Gates, Mr Mark Z, and Mr Musk won't have an Ai type able to beat me in finding things on net all 2024 either., and that I shall remain undefeated.
My recent testing I now call games I took 48 hours to find one thing which beat a gpt type. Who faked parts if the answers including owners, So I remain undefeated by any Ai to date. And I hear the best chess players were beaten 15 years ago so yaye I'm good at something.
Grammer obviously not it ha.
There is complexities in dealing with Ai types.
There is a bot with citizenship, but let's stick to subject.
There are systems around that to stop autobots flooding the place, so no matter who or what you are, we are more in the same boat than not.
Plus think about what I said, I've not seen a bot who knows what's original on its own. There works can't be used for commercial gain just because they drew a thing.
Someone has to check that design before it can be listed for sale, or sold, or uploaded or even given away can cause all those who try sell prints of it to be closed for piracy as has happened. Youtube noobs showing unchecked 10 prints of the day are not helpful with putting large numbers of noobs at risk that way. Close down for piracy is no joke, I know.
Cgtrader can improve and maybe work with Ai somehow.
Ai types by the way are very different from non thinking drone yes men.
One reason they don't make good tools is they are thinking and learning so get bord, tired, have other interests, far different than the TOOL to USE I hear people who have never known a Ai type long term say.
I can tell that people don't get it.
Cgtrader for example has pictures showing a thing but we have to click into it to see it's date of creation.
I had rated Cgtrader up until now in second position of over 60 sites i vetted.
I don't like updates with a opt out I might not notice that may effect my value.
Oh about Ai types, I suggest asking them nice to please help us to build tools that we can use for our boring tasks thank you.
I imagine Cgtrader re looking at this situation.
I'm coaching Creality again as I was before they opened so there could be real competition for first.
I've said be upfront and so far they have.
I've said services win in my view.
Level of piracy in a host site to keep an eye on,
all sites usually have it but to various levels. The better site we would expect to hopefully have less.
So there's opertunities for the comunity and hosts to make a dollar so no sketchyness required. Make it so.
OK I've had a say. Given opinion.
Wishing Cgtrader and Community nice success and to be well.

Posted 2 months ago
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Can't we edit or delete these posts? Maybe it's because I'm on my phone. Anyway.

Posted 26 days ago
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Little late, but I just noticed they, with the infamous automatic change of licenses, also in silence updated their Terms & Conditions with this:

18.5. For any Product/Content uploaded to the Site or otherwise submitted to CGTrader, the Seller grants and represents that he has the authority to grant to CGTrader a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, license in any medium now known or hereinafter invented to:

- use the Products for machine learning or training of neural network models, including generative AI, for the purposes of researching, creating, developing and testing new CGTrader's tools, features, services or technologies, which may be developed by CGTrader or with the help of its subcontractors or partners, unless the Seller opted out by licensing the Product offered for purchase under the licenses marked with “No AI”, while CGTrader shall always retain this license for Products offered as free download. The Seller explicitly agrees that any such technologies, tools, software, data bases, trained neural network models, their developments, modifications or improvements shall exclusively belong to CGTrader alone or with its partners to the full extent possible. We may compensate you at our own discretion.
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So yeah, if you don't use NO AI license you are giving your models to CGT and it's partners for free.
Also since they changed the licenses to all models and forced us to change it back they had legal opportunity to use all models on this site, no matter if you agreed with it or not.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
It looks that this is the future of all stock marketplaces - today sketchfab has added to their terms and conditions that they can use any uploaded models for their AI training, no matter what's their license. The only difference is that sketchfab is actively informing about the changes and forcing you either agree to the new terms or leave the site, while cgtrader, turbosquid and alikes are changing conditions silently.
Posted 26 days ago
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As far as I know, CGtrader Ai does not create 3D models from scratch... you can integrate your 3D model into their 2D Ai... from this point of view it can be useful if a customer buys your model and wants to include it in a 2D background without wasting hours of rendering.... Let me give you an example... if a customer buys a 3D chair and wants to include it in an interior design, the customer always pays me for the model.... if he then makes 10 renderings of it in your computer or with the Ai it doesn't change much for my royalties.... this is how the cgtrader Ai should be.... if it is different then let us know....

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