CG trader quality certificate?

Discussion started by clayguy

Hi, I know that on Turbosquid getting your models certified attracts a lot of traffic from serious buyers. I have been told that companies like CNN etc. only buy certified models, for obvious reasons. Why CGT hasn't implemented something like that yet? It surely would boost the sales of high price models significantly. Is it the amount of work required? Is there anything we could do to maybe help this feature getting started? Would like to hear your opinion about this.

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Posted almost 3 years ago
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Personally I'm not against this idea but would not want to pay for it.
Maybe if the people hoe would like to get this label pay for it (for example contribute to it with 30% cut of their royalty's)?

The problem is there would be dedicated people on payroll that check models against a list of criteria, making the service more expensive. I already check my work against such a list, so don't want to pay for doing the same over.

That is part of what I dislike about Ts, people like me hoe don't want to sell themselves out to some exclusive trap pay 60% and pay for such system. Irony is that I don't even have any benefit of it because you need to be an exclusive in order to apply for that label.

I have no problem with people hoe like labels but personally don't need it and rather also don't pay for it. I simply make models to highest possible standard and have direct communication with clients to convince them about this.

Maybe we can get some sort of AI program in place that would check files against a list of criteria and assign approved label (AI check certified :-p)?

The program would be embedded in the uploader and communicate direct feedback about possible problems and so on.

Wouldn't that be something ;-)

blobfortress wrote
blobfortress
Is the list you use to check your models available somewhere? I would be very much interested in it.
iterateCGI wrote
iterateCGI
I hate to make advertising for that place but here it is (https://support.turbosquid.com/hc/en-us/articles/230098647) It is all very obvious tuff actually, except for the quads, not all geo needs to be quads, especially not for games, in games all geo gets triangulated in render pipeline. Sub D meshes can also contain some triangles if they do not pose problems after mesh smoothing.
blobfortress wrote
blobfortress
Ah, turbosquid, I see... Still useful, though. Thank you!
Posted almost 3 years ago
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Well that is a good point. How about that: a whole section/category with CGT certified models. Quality guarantee etc. They will be a little more pricey for that reason and let's say CGT's share would be 40%. So in the end You will get the same amount of money but maybe get more sales. It would require some testing...
Anyhow some sort of outside confirmation of models quality would be great. If there was only a way of not making it cheap and efficient.

clayguy wrote
clayguy
"If there was only a way of making it cheap and efficient" * a mistype
Posted almost 3 years ago
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I would not be against that because in this way the test can be made what works best, assigning some models for certification label and others not to see the difference in performance.

From moment model is certified and label assigned that model swaps automatically to 30 or 40% cut and cannot be revered back.

People like me hoe make efforts themselves to create a trusted label will probably not apply for it but people hoe feel they need this should be served.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Well then I guess I am making an official shoutout to CGT to make a testground of this sort. To see how much it attracts potential buyers with cash :)

Posted almost 3 years ago
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One thing remains though, a filter will prevent models that are equally good from showing up.

In my case I don't worry to much because have other ways of reaching audience but some could be affected I suppose.

Curious to see how it pans out.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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I guess there are a lot of things to be considered - still CGT would want to make money on the non certified stuff, so I am sure they would balance it out :)

Posted almost 3 years ago
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I think there is no need for it... if CGT took care of the pricing instead of the users that would solve the problem. When the pricing is up to sellers it makes it look unprofessional because not everyone knows how to price things properly. So if CGT checked the models and priced them then people would know the prices are accurate based on quality. Then the entire site would gain the respect of CNN etc...

clayguy wrote
clayguy
If they were supposed to do an extensive check (compatibility with programs etc) on every model to set a price it would probably take all their resources. So it would have to be only for sellers who ask for it. And it would boil down pretty much to the same thing as discussed above...
Posted almost 3 years ago
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On the one hand i probably would be willing to waive some of my royalties in exchange to said certificate if that would bring more buyers, but on the other hand i'm affraid that such initiative could open whole can of worms. Let's think about that: it's no secret that if other criterias are equal, most chances to be sold, have models that have highest rank in search. So let's say CGT will introduce quality certificate for which they will ask bonus comissions. In such case they most likely will be interested in selling more of certificated items, because that would bring more income to them. So, they can internally give higher rankings for certificated products and naturally such models will start sell better. People will start thinking that certificate indeed does miracles and increasingly more will be submiting their models for certification, until increased sales will be diluted and everyone will be left with lower royalties and. In the end there will be no winner, except CGT themselves :] Of course, such scenario isn't very likely and a little bit exaggerated, but still...

iterateCGI wrote
iterateCGI
It's a valid scenario but in your scenario gross would end up certified models so customers would benefit because their would be no bad models. So to say no one benefits is not completely valid in this case ;-p But indeed I think it would not go that hard. An embedded software solution would make more sense I think, so that models are checked automatically and seller gets feedback from system if problems are in file. Having no impact or very little on operation costs.
Posted almost 3 years ago
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Maybe instead of judging every model, a sort of overall "trusted seller" badge would also be efficient? And I do not mean something generated automatically after a number of sales or positive comments. It should be given by a person who knows the stuff.

I think we can all agree that the points/reputation system does not work. And that is because there will always be a loophole that can be expolited. I have seen accounts with thousands of models, most of which were just models available for free on other sites and uploaded as sellers own work. And they have generated over 40 000 points this way.

I do not think that fighting against such prictices will be efficient, but it would be great to counter it with a genuine system for appreciating high quality content.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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I think designer's portfolio speaks louder than any badges or certificates. For example, looking at your products i don't need confirmation from CGT or anyone else that i'm at true profesional's shop and i can purchase model with confidence. OTH, no certificate in the world would convince me to buy such model: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character-people/man/character-high-poly

As long as you can stand from the crowd with quality, you don't need any certificates, adges or similar stuff, IMHO.

blobfortress wrote
blobfortress
Agreed, to a certain degree you can see professionality. On the other hand, maybe the renders looks great but the scene is setup very messy, nothing is named, etc. But still, I also don't think certificates are a necessity. I prefer the money being put in to increasing traffic.
Posted almost 3 years ago
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Well I guess You are right. Quality goes a long way. But let's say You are a graphic designer/animator who values his time and is willing to spend a bit more to have an extra assurance. In that case being able to filter the models to see only the trusted sellers would be very valuable. Would clean all the models like the one You linked to.
But maybe I am overthinking this. I got a little upset because I saw that some other sellers upload 3D scans of sculptures "stolen" from museum internet sites. And thought it is hard to compete with that with just hard work.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Who's more likely to sell their product to serious buyer, talented sculpter with professionally published models or some schmuck with horrible scans with typical 1 image per model without wireframes? Who's more likely will be approached by serious contractor with request to made custom work, former or latter? Think about it for a moment and sleep well ;]

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Obviously You are right, thanks :)
It would still be great to hear CGT's thoughts on the whole subject.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Generally I feel same way as limonadinis, just make it good and show it, that is the real proof right?
And show it everywhere you can get an audience for it.

And honestly, seeing this place getting more same as Ts would also concern me a bit?

Probably Ts will end up having the supper expensive pro models for the 1% supper corporations anyways, and CGt serving the other 99% of the artistic community?

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Well usually the models that end up on their CGT pinterest account tend to be the ones they consider to be top notch so maybe that is their way of telling the top buyers about their favorite authors without having to deal with doing all the pricing stuff.

Another way of fixing this problem would be with having a really good search engine setup. Right now whenever buyers search for stuff it is really hard to do so without browsing through random stuff. There needs to be an option for finding models based on price, Polycount, textured or not, rigged or not etc...

Whenever I am browsing it still feels like Russian roulette just about anything could show up in my search and most of the time I can never find what I really wanted.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Actually, you're completely right about search. Search on CGT is horrible. It badly needs for improvement. Filters are good as a further refinement, but no filters will help when primary data is garbage.
Posted almost 3 years ago
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I take that back! I just noticed that they have a polycount function!!! https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?keywords=car
Not sure why it does not show up right away though. It seems like you need to search first and then it shows up later on...

Just noticed they also added search by format!!! Also search by price!!! Please delete my previous comment! I had no idea all of that was now available.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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Ha ha ha no leave this comment , it's great.

No problem, it shows people sometimes can make mistakes, that is alright ;-)

If you have no problem admitting then there is no problem at all.

Also Marvin it sometimes is good that some random stuff shows up, I admit not in all cases and some people find it annoying.

Super markets also do this sort of thing in some way or another on purpose.

They put the best selling stuff not immediately upfront but flash some new stuff to people passing the hallway traveling to the best selling stuff.

It's sort of flashing the memory with new things you may not need but fragments keep hanging, next time you may need something in that direction you know immediately where to find it.

I don't know if this is same case here but just want to make a case that seeing other stuff is not always bad.
Sometimes it can also happen you do a discovery in that way.

However I do believe some work remains to be done on the categorization system so that people place things in right places.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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I can not say why CGTrader does not do the same. Actually I am not so sure that it is an answer. Some models are built for specific purposes and are not going to fit into that (certified) requirement that the site imposes. The model may be perfect for a particular use and great for others but just not be "certified" and that hurts the artist trying to build for a niche. As far as requirements CGTrader would have to set the "requirements" for the "certification" and then each model has to be "certified or not" and that is man hours for inspection and review which increases their cost. Also at Squid you are almost forced into an exclusive reliance with them too and that is not a good idea. I had an exclusive with the33dstudio for 8 years and lost my business when they changed their business plan. No more all my eggs in one basket. I sell at multiple sites and my models are built for a range of uses. They likely would not be certifiable but they are really great models.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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After seeing this page https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?polygons=lt_5k&keywords=character I mean the top search bar where it finally has all of the functions I always wanted CGTrader to have I felt like a little kid at Christmas!!!

It is strange that it pops up only after you run a basic search but I guess as IterateCGI said that could be a good way to allow people to see what is out there first and then hone in on exactly what they want if they didn't find it at first glance.

Thanks CGT for all the enhancements you put in!!!!

Posted almost 3 years ago
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CGT should start searching for titles instead of tags.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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@filipaaofficial, it does search for titles as well as for tags, but it prioritize tags over titles and that yields very bad search results.

Posted almost 3 years ago
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cool! I didn't know it checks for both. good to know it checks for tags first.

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