It's time to leave Cgtrader

Discussion started by kucchupucchu1995

No matter someone from topshelf creator or studio dude comes and give me a bashing but I'm going to say this. From being honest, helpful and creative platform, CGT is now become the most messed up place to sell your stuff. The changes they made from April 2023 has been turning things into worst. When I joined Cgtrader in 2021 it use to be different. This was a place to flourish and grow as an artist. But now what I can see is this company is in some greedy and corrupt hands. Unwanted and Unasked changes by introducing AI in searching method,
F'ed up model verification system,
tricks they're playing with AI license,
and now payment method.
Sales every now then made it worse.
Sales are now down by 60-80%
Artstation didn't made any of these stupid changes but still working better than CGT. We 3D artists learnt to create things from scratch we don't need AI to ease our stuff, I personally like to do things old school ways. If you guys are so blindly in love with AI, then you should made an another website and should have tried all your experiments there. Many are leaving this site. Me too. This website is no longer for artists and creative people. This is becoming another AI dump for lazy. Sorry I kept cool for too long but now I'm losing it. World is already in a chaos because of inflation and other stuff and these people are making it difficult for us.

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Posted about 2 months ago
10

They changed the payment method without thinking about the manny people that can only get paid via payoneer. What a disappointment.

Udjani wrote
If you can get paid via payoneer you ver likely can get paid via hyperwallet. Both allow for wire transfers
Posted about 2 months ago
9

Three years ago, due to similar reasons, I was forced to leave Turbosquit and withdraw all the work of our studio from there. Although at that time we had the maximum “diamond” level and high ratings.
Of all the trading platforms in the 3D industry, we remained only on CGT.
And now, unfortunately, we will now have to leave this resource too?!
I really wouldn't want to...

Today I will think and make a decision. But these innovations really upset me.

kucchupucchu1995 wrote
These innovations are not for the artist like us who made CGT what it is today.
Posted about 2 months ago
7

And I'm expecting more surprise changes to come.
Few years ago I was recommending CGT to everyone and now I'm really considering to leave.
Waiting for epic FAB, but my expectations aren't high for them either.

Posted about 2 months ago
4

I had over 300 models and deleted over 90% and left 10 ,gonna delete them too , earlier you leave this sinking ship the less damage u gonna get

RealtimeModels wrote
RealtimeModels
Exactly. Unfortunetely... what else to do? accepting and humpling? are we all "Quasimodo"? CGT thinks so as it seems. 100% for sure.
Posted about 2 months ago
0

I also begin to delete models and save all stuff locally... Where will you move to? I think I'll start with Artstation since I have my portfolio already there.

kucchupucchu1995 wrote
Artstation is good, Flippednormal and Cubebrush are also good options. Even turbosquid performance is better than CGT now.
3DAutomotiveStuFF wrote
3DAutomotiveStuFF
Artstation is good choice ,for now i have uploaded most of my models to 3Dexport
Posted about 2 months ago
0

is artstaion worthit to sell ? i m here thinking to shift as well.

kucchupucchu1995 wrote
Yeah that is much much better than this...
Posted about 2 months ago
12

Its better if they restore the website version of year 2022 it was better for all of us. It was sellers like us who made this Website successful. But now they won't hear us they are thinking they don't need us anymore like any over confident and doom driven company starts to think. But they will realise when they start loose and start to fall.

RealtimeModels wrote
RealtimeModels
They WILL fail 100% for sure. It is already written.
Posted about 2 months ago
1

Unfortunately for me, there are not many sites for the sale models for 3d print (which use Payoneer) but still there are alternatives.

Stavya wrote
Stavya
Many of them support Paypal, you can make a Paypal account.
Posted about 2 months ago
-2

I'm not satisfied can say dissappointed with "AI" involvement in this website whether it is in search engine of this webiste or in license it was much much better before this its true, and also with the model verification system.

But I've just tried out Hyperwallet, in my view it is kinda OK thing, it gives you more control over how you want to move your money. I use to get paid via Payoneer earlier, and I must say conversion rate was much better on Payoneer than Paypal.

Here's what I've tried just now, I've added my paypal to get the payment from wallet to my paypal account. It said approx 30mins, but right after placing transaction request I got my money in my Paypal within 10 minutes. So I think the Hyperwallet thing is kinda OK.

I hope they're working on fixing the issue of sale drop and other issues. I've spent many here I just don't wanna leave and also don't want things to go down. But I think soon things might get fine.

kucchupucchu1995 wrote
What about people who don't have a PayPal account? Dude, They are making it worst with every step they make. Even buyers don't prefer this website now.
Brwa-Taha wrote
Brwa-Taha
I don't think there is any hope for this site to recover
lasthawk wrote
lasthawk
The problem is that Payoneer is mostly used by people who can’t use Paypal. They were simply taken away from the opportunity to receive payments. I reported two bugs about six months ago. One of them concerns not only me, but all users. Nobody has ever solved the problem. We just have to wait :)
hend-z wrote
hend-z
Does it offer prepaid card like Payoneer ?
Udjani wrote
You don't need Paypal to recive money from Hyperwallet, it also has wire transfer.
Posted about 2 months ago
3

What do you think about Renderhub? A few of my friends recommended it.

VityaB wrote
VityaB
Tried it, got 0 visibility on my models
Stavya wrote
Stavya
Man this AI thing screwed everything, it's said that man will create weapon of his own destruction and we did it, I've seen somewhere someone mentioning himself "AI Artist/AI Graphic Designer" what in the world does it means ? Does writing prompts is a new type of art form... It's high time should do something to stop use of AI in creative field atleast.
Posted about 2 months ago
3

site is already dying not getting views on newly published models and now the new payment method

Stavya wrote
Stavya
This post has caught lots of eyes with 1K+ views. I hope someone from Team CGT has seen this and will try to figure things out for all of us. I want my good old days back. :'(
Posted about 2 months ago
-8

The old days are gone @Stavya. Its time to prepare for the new generation of 3D, like every 5 years we need to adapt and adjust. I've already been experimenting with platforms like https://3d.csm.ai/ (which is free for now) and its absolutely amazing how you can take a text prompt -> concept -> 3D in a short time. Its great in my opinion, actually its amazing to be honest to reduce the tedious boring work. Sure the quality of the 3D output isn't amazing at this point... yet but it will be. But I do love the concepting tool in this platform so far. Eventually the 3D will get as good as the average 3D artist and if you don't those tools to your advantage then you will be left behind.

Do you still want to draw your concepts by hand, scan them in, trace them in photoshop & paint fill like we did in 1992? Paint out wires for film studios when they have actors flying around? Of course not, its not creative, its just as bad as working in a factory. Learn the tools, use them to your advantage and make higher quality content that pushes the bar.

I don't see why so many posts are all consumed with negative situations. Every year technology gets better, tools get better, work gets easier and we earn more money in less time. You can complain all you want but the grass isn't always greener elsewhere, its where you plant the forest. So get planting.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
"Do you still want to draw your concepts by hand, scan them in, trace them in photoshop & paint fill like we did in 1992?" I think many people do actually enjoy such tasks. I certainly do. Some say that they hate UV unwrapping, but i love it and wouldn't want to replace it with automated tool, even if that would be 10 times faster. For me it's some sort of escapism. I do modeling not because i want to make much money, there are many easier ways to earn a living, I do modeling because it calms my mind and i enjoy it. I don't want to write prompts and do more models in less time with minimum effort until eventually all that will lost its meaning.
kucchupucchu1995 wrote
"I've already been experimenting with platforms like https://3d.csm.ai/ (which is free for now) and its absolutely amazing how you can take a text prompt -> concept -> 3D in a short time. Its great in my opinion, actually its amazing to be honest to reduce the tedious boring work." We are making on our skill of 3d modelling, if a buyer can do the same thing you are doing then why would he care to pay you extra money ? Here artist is an AI not you keep in mind writers write, creators create. And many artists in Hollywood who were on strike for months are idiots. We need to be realistic on this we don't need not forced positivity.
3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
@LemonadeCG, have you used Rizom? I purchased it for unwrapping and my workflow is about 90% faster for unwrapping, life saver. I enjoy all aspects of 3D but I also prefer to make better content faster when I compare how many weeks I have left in my life (and I find using Rizom far more enjoyable that unwrapping in 3dsmax). @kucchupucchu1995 A buyer cannot do the same thing, just because you can use a prompt to generate something doesn't mean you can adjust it to your liking. This is the same idea of AI replacing programmers, sure you can remove all the code monkeys but when it hits the fan, and it will, you need a software architect to fix it. That's the same as having higher level 3D artists who know what they are doing, fix the problems that AI introduce, because there are, and will be lots of problems. But if all you know how to do is make basic 3D objects like a donut, the Ai is going to easily build a better donut.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
If we make some analogies. Some guitarists like to build a pedalboard with huge amounts of pedals, others like a rack processor, some musicians happy with emulating guitar cabinets and pedals on their PC. Convincing and trying to change tastes and preferences in this case is pointless and stupid, because the main thing is not what you like, the main thing is the final result.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
3DCargo, i do use Rizom and i love it.
3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
Ah, no wonder you enjoy unwrapping :D
Posted about 2 months ago
-3

Many like @LemonadeCg, live and love their work they just don't do it for money. They put their heart in this, I am being vocal for them not for people who call themselves artist and then go out to easy solutions to make money out of it and try to defend the wrong doings of a company with baseless explanation in forums.

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
Whats your point @kucchupucchu1995? Not sure how old you are but look at the way things have happened over the past 100 years. Company changes things, people don't like change, they get upset. They pitch their forks and take to the streets and burn things. 2 years later the Company is still doing the same thing and people have adapted, now they get on with their business like before. 3 years later things change, the cycle continues. You are a cog in the wheel of wheels, in a giant machine that keeps turning, and if you - the cog cannot handle it anymore you will be replaced, and then the cycle continues. Its adapt or die, and I'm not dead yet.
Posted about 2 months ago
5

Dear 3DCargo, attach that website link in your product description and write "You can create similar model to this one, not same, but SIMILAR" and then tell everyone how much drop you witness in your revenue next month.

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
I don't check month to month that's silly as seasons are different for every country. You should be checking year to year your 'average' monthly sales if you want to gauge any sort of progress to your sales revenue.
Posted about 2 months ago
2

As always CGT sent their best to defend them welcome @jagua..rxyz before even reading your comment I know why you are here. We don't need company man's suggestion in this.

Posted about 2 months ago
3

3DCargo, keep watering AI and you will watch it happening soon not with you but your career as 3D artist

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
lol I wish you all the best mate. Good luck :)
Posted about 2 months ago
7

It was my opinion on this I don't want to take things further. I can see many feels the same on this issue. So either they can keep their heads in sand and pretend everything is fine send their lawyer/artists to argue in every post which questions them or they should do something to improve this for majority.

IndieArt wrote
IndieArt
Yeah, harassing sellers and reporting threads with a shady account isn't very professional way to deal with complaints.
Posted about 2 months ago
-5

Banning an entire race of people (Russian) from buying and selling did it for me...

Infinitylt wrote
Why should we financialy support our enemies?
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
"Why should we financialy support our enemies?" Financially* Because when your enemy is a race of people - you are a racist.
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
Just should also point out that Russia make a lot of video games using 3D assets whereas Ukraine have never made a video game that wasn't some story book garbage at least. So it's a dumb business decision irrespective of your opinions of WW2 winners Russia.
Infinitylt wrote
Are countries not made of people? Also stalker exists btw which is the best game and is made in Ukraine. Ok so we do business with russia and the country gets taxes which they spend to produce missiles and destroy neighbouring countries.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Since when russians are race? Unless it's a language barrier, or just a simple ignorance and you're truly believe that all russians belong to distinct (superior?) race, then it's a nazism and there should be no place for such believes in civil community. Russians are the nation who for one reason or another are content to be ruled by highly aggressive government which constantly seeks to expand their territory by conquering neighbouring sovereign states. It shouldn't be surprise that those states are not happy about this and they are trying to do everything to reduce Russia's economic might that is fueling war machine. Banning russians from the marketplace is one small step in this concerted effort. See the logic?
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
@LemonadeCG That's the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time lol
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Mentioning video games in context of restrictions due to real war is of course a very strong argument.
mudboxguru wrote
mudboxguru
We who are smart know that whole war is bogus. USA sends it's tax dollars to Ukraine when Zelensky's wife uses it to go shopping in Paris. Then he throws a tantrum asking for more money. It's not our problem and businesses should not involve these politics. Was very annoying they implemented discount to Ukraine sellers.. Which to me this whole thing adds up and makes perfect sense. Hyperwallet is a WEF shill organization (globalist). They want to keep data on all of us for their control agenda. Data farming. And make it difficult for people to keep selling their products because the WEF hate the idea of anyone making a living on their own. Remember, you will own nothing and be happy.
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
"Mentioning video games in context of restrictions due to real war is of course a very strong argument." @Jaguarbeastproduction. Yes videos games have nothing to do with a 3D asset market place - what was I thinking lol.
PsyTi wrote
PsyTi
Dear chauvinists, xenophobes, imperialists, great rusian game developers , "велико-победобесцы" and other conspiracy lovers and flat earth believers. I invite you to visit in the Ukrainian city of Kharkov. I will pay for your accommodation here and give you a tour of the city so that you can see all the "fakes of the war" . But even after rusian missiles explode near you, the thought will not arise in your head, for the money of which taxpayers and businesses this devastation and death is happening. You will shout that these are all conspiracies and fakes. Сitation - "Just should also point out that Russia make a lot of video games using 3D assets whereas Ukraine have never made a video game that wasn't some story book garbage at least. So it's a dumb business decision irrespective of your opinions of WW2 winners Russia." Your text is saturated from beginning to end with rotten, inhumane rusian racism and chauvinism. For which, at a minimum, you should also be deprived of the opportunity to use such resources until you begin to respect others and stop hiding behind racism when you yourself are a representative of this type. And if you want to see real "some storybook trash", then you should pay attention to your page here.
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
@PsyTi "inhumane rusian" Everyone knows who you are and what you represent. calling people racist is you projecting.
Sided wrote
Russian is not a race. and the fact that they were blocked from accessing the service is because they earned it with their aggressive policy. there is no need to attack neighboring countries and commit brutal massacres against people. and you are a special kind people. terrorist lover, I don't think you belong here either.
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
@Sided "terrorist lover" There's that irrational hyper emotional comment from a brainwashed westerner I've come to expect. Maybe learn what words mean like "Race" before you chime in with your internet tears. You need a little fact check, but here is not the place. My advice is you actually lean about the 2 nations history that are at war right now and avoid future embarrassment.
Sided wrote
14 iq
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
I would like to remind, that users can get a ban not only for stealing models. Therefore LucasArtz, just shut up.
LucasArtz wrote
LucasArtz
@jaguarbeastproduction Show me your credentials tough guy
Posted about 1 month ago
6

Totally agree!

Now trying to get back the money that I have on my account, which seems to be suddenly difficult, since they implement this shi..y new third party payout process.
Basically, they just told me that they will keep the money on my account, if I don't registers to Hypperwallet (which I don't want).

This was my question:
"What will happen to my money that you owe me ($xxx.xx) if I can't and/or don't want to use this third party service Hyperwallet, that you are trying to force us to use? (This money was already on my account before this new directive)"

This is the answer I got:
"Since Hyperwallet is the only payout option if Hyperwallet account is not created all collected royalties will stay in CGTrader account. "

Well done CGTrader, you are loosing credibility at best!

hend-z wrote
hend-z
What I find weird is that all the websites similar to CGT offers at least 3 different payment options. It's really strange that cgt offers only one.
3DAutomotiveStuFF wrote
3DAutomotiveStuFF
i got the same answer, i asked them to pay me my earnings from november month for the last time through payoneer and got refected but unlogical thing is they used payoneer service to pay other sellers (who were not in first wave) in december 20 , they could pay me too but they did not because they want to force all artists to join hyperwallet
Posted about 1 month ago
4

And because the MOST IMPORTANT problem is forgotten here, EVEN because CGT produced a lot of SMOKE CANDLES -- most probably even because of the CORE issue --- and produced TONS! of another demage to the main-stream-vendors to ABSTRACT THEM... it is abut the main problem:
The sales for like 99% of vendors went down dramaticially.
Like from 1 day to another from 100% to 0%.
And all this corrupted and brown-nosing "moderators" like this bad english speaking "Lemonade" or old english sparkling "Jaguar" will come and tell anybody it´s "normal" and it´s "business as usual".

YES!! you are 100% right. It's time to leave Cgtrader. I wish the CGT team and most of all to its agressive, bold and arrogant "moderators" some good night shifts at the next factory over there as a consequence.

kucchupucchu1995 wrote
It seems they don't care nothing will change and website will close one day.
Posted about 1 month ago
1

Totally agree !
For me there are two ways:

1- Radical , delete the account as a sign of protest of disrespect for the artists, and the bad policy of the site from which sales have dropped significantly

2- Wait until they return Payoneer, and until that time raise the prices of 3D models to an absurd 50-100 times more expensive, in order to make it unavailable for purchase ($500-$1000), with this action I freeze my account

Posted about 1 month ago
4

I have clearly show my disapproval about this matter by email, which in the end, came to that I just have to accept, or to not get my money (as this is from now on, the only payout process).
I can imagine that this work with youngsters or people who are financially in trouble.
But I will clearly not accept this kind of behavior, and they should remember that without content creators, they don't earn anything. There is also other market place.
The only thing that could change their vision on how to treat us, is a lot of noise on social medias (but this is just my humble opinion).

ArtChahur wrote
ArtChahur
I'm totally with you! And I agree that we need more noise and more people!

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