How on earth does top model work?

Discussion started by grumpntug

Not to point out any one piece in particular but there is a wide range of quality in the top model section. It's also REALLY hard to understand what makes a top model. I see some models with lots of views and likes and then a model that almost no views and no likes both in the top models section. I'm sure there are factors like date updated, sales, etc. but I find it very hard to believe that a model with say, 10 views or something like that is selling a ton.

I'm just wanting clarification on what actually gets your model into the top model spot out of my own curiosity because right now it seems based on newest models.

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Posted almost 9 years ago
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Where are you even finding the 'top model' section? LOL! I've had similar questions about 'trending'. Can you throw me a link to the 'top model' section, please? I'd like to see it before I rant about it. :-)))

grumpntug wrote
grumpntug
It's just on their landing page for http://www.cgtrader.com/ at the top is top 3D models. Are you outside of the US? Maybe it's worded differently in other areas but that's what I'm talking about because I haven't seen a trending section.
Posted almost 9 years ago
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Ah-ha. Thanks. I never go to the landing page. I've pinned the dashboard.

Well, somewhere I read that there's rating/voting on newly uploaded models. I cannot find the page related to this now, but I did see it, possibly in the FAQ section. Suffice it to say that to me it seems a rather subjective process. I believe any member can rate.

Posted almost 9 years ago
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I just found the link to the rating process. It's right under the Top 10 model images on the landing page! LOL!

Here's a direct link:
https://www.cgtrader.com/community_ratings/new

grumpntug wrote
grumpntug
oh THAT rating. I don't know how I feel about that. It's also not how they say a top model is chosen in their how trending models work page http://www.cgtrader.com/pages/how-trending-models-work If you go off of every point they outline, then I've seen a lot of top 3D models that technically shouldn't be there because they only seem to match one point in the criteria which is publish date. So this really raises the question of how top 3D models actually find their way up top. I get that publish date is a large factor. You want your site to stay fresh and have new models for people to see but I personally feel that quality is suffering a lot because maybe the other points aren't being enforced as heavily.
tersta wrote
I think Trending and Top Models have different processes. Trending is an option in the Category listings. The default in the drop down list is 'Best Match' on the top-right above the list on the same line as 'Price', 'Format', etc. Here's a random page for you to look at and see what I'm referring to: http://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/aircraft-part For 'Trending', if Views, Product Attributes and Publishing Date are the only criteria with statistics and the Views stats are low and the Product Attributes details are pretty much the same for all, then the only criteria left is Publishing Date, I suppose. Nevertheless, the rating system seems to be how Top Models are ranked. Subjective. But, after having a look at the Top Models, yeah...I can see why you might be just a little confused. I 'Liked' your Submarine. Maybe that will help you rise to the top of the 'Trending' list. :-)))
Posted almost 9 years ago
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Yeah it is very interesting how this kind of system only exists on 3D sites... In every other business and industry a top model is the one that sells best on the market. Sure there will be different categories but in the end the best models are always the ones that sell even if they are ugly looking. It all depends on the buyers taste and what they are specifically in the market for which then creates trends and fads etc... I noticed that only 3D sites base their top models on other odd systems and I guess it is to try and promote true quality of the art but it also backfires when buyer can't find what they are looking for.

grumpntug wrote
grumpntug
Churn is very important for a 3D model site like this I suppose. You can't have your potential customers coming to the site and seeing the exact same models on the front page every time so putting new models on there makes sense but there seems to be a very wide range of quality control. I had another thread where I had suggested additional model sections on the main page where you have more than just top 3D models but rather have Top selling models, new models, trending models, on the rise, etc. Sections that show more of what your site has to offer, provides more spot lights for creators to be in, and makes quality expectations reasonable per category. Having one section like CGT does now is basically saying "This is the best of what we have!" and if it isn't really your best, you simply aren't giving potential buyers a reason to dig deeper into your site. You can have both things CGT!!! You can have a strong community with a voted best buy community section, forums, etc. AND show off the best of your best for sales by showcasing multiple sections. You can have your cake and eat it too I swear! :P
Posted almost 9 years ago
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In response to your comment below grumpntug,

I also suggested that models should be ranked based on sales but I got a lot of push back from artists who say that people will just keep copying their work which is utter and complete garbage because that happens anyway regardless of whether their work is being glorified or not and CGT is awesome at getting rid of that problem. I am also tired of seeing the same cars, tanks, etc... none original work being produced over and over and being described as top models. Let's face it... it is pretty boring from a buyers perspective and I doubt that they want to see it or buy it when they can see the real thing at any car show or dealer. I always like to commend those who are true artists and create things that are original and that have added value because they haven't been done to death and show true creativity that goes beyond simply shooting 3D pictures of things that already exist in our world.

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Churn is very important for a 3D model site like this I suppose. You can't have your potential customers coming to the site and seeing the exact same models on the front page every time so putting new models on there makes sense but there seems to be a very wide range of quality control.

I had another thread where I had suggested additional model sections on the main page where you have more than just top 3D models but rather have Top selling models, new models, trending models, on the rise, etc. Sections that show more of what your site has to offer, provides more spot lights for creators to be in, and makes quality expectations reasonable per category.

Having one section like CGT does now is basically saying "This is the best of what we have!" and if it isn't really your best, you simply aren't giving potential buyers a reason to dig deeper into your site.

You can have both things CGT!!! You can have a strong community with a voted best buy community section, forums, etc. AND show off the best of your best for sales by showcasing multiple sections. You can have your cake and eat it too I swear! :P }}}

grumpntug wrote
grumpntug
Yeah, obviously there is a place for realistic models for both film and games and I personally don't mind it as much. However, the argument that everyone would make the same thing is silly because that would also produce churn because eventually, the same one note wont sell anymore and the more compelling items will float to the top and that trend would most likely continue. BUT showing only sales does alienate a large group of new and diverse creators which is where the concept of different spotlights I think helps supplement your idea of ranking by sales but who knows, I'm sure the folks at CGT have a plan in mind as well. Maybe they'll listen to this, maybe the wont but it is still sort of unclear as to what their end goal is for the site.
miaomiao3d wrote
miaomiao3d
For the top model list CGT tends to like putting the photo realistic models up first. They rarely have game models up there unless they are 3D printable or really well rendered. Well fact is that implementing what we like is a little complicated and requires a lot more leg work that doesn't make sense to them especially if they have to create multiple lists. Also regular 3D models have become a bit of a joke these days and don't sell well which makes it pointless for them to spend extra time on them. The CGT people are more concerned with items that actually sell better which are the 3D printable models. As a company you need to focus on what is making you money rather than what looks cool or you go out of business very fast in this crappy market. They are doing the right thing because if they go out of business no one will sell anything on their site anymore and we all loose. If you want your models to show up in the top model page all you need to do is create a couple of photo realistic models that are also 3D printable and then link those up to your others. This way when people browse those models they will also check out what else you've got. That is a faster and better solution than trying to get them to modify the system in this case.
miaomiao3d wrote
miaomiao3d
CGT has a great track record of making modifications based on artists comments. If they haven't done anything about this it is because they have had to work out a compromise between what is financially viable and makes sense for the entire community and not just a couple of guys opinions like us lol. There are plenty of other suggestions I have made in the past that they implemented and it was because they made sense and were actually really beneficial for the entire community and not just one or two artists. CGT is amazing !!
mariecassidy21100 wrote
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