Why people accept to work for extremely low prices

Discussion started by van90

Sorry for the rant, but I sometimes see people that post projects that would take at least 2-3 full work days to make with extremely low prices like 15 dollars and i see applicants on those jobs.

I don't understand why people accept such low wages for all that work. I live in a 3rd world country and you could make more money in a day by washing cars or begging in the street.

It is absolutely despicable

how people post such projects and others accept such wages and underestimate their value as human beings and time to the point of it being slavery wages and at the same time ruin this site for a relatively proper income for people who spent years or decades earning these skills.

I think cgtrader should do something about it. This is like encouraging slave labour.

Answers

Posted about 2 months ago
3

While I agree with you, its a free market. People can bid what they want.

In the end the old saying always sticks "you get what you pay for". If the client is happy with 2nd grade work (or 3rd grade) then what do you expect for such a low price? If it works for their situation great, if it does, then there is something to be learned for both parties.

3DCargo wrote
3DCargo
doesn't*
Posted about 2 months ago
1

I guess the people who accept such work because a few dollars is better than zero dollars, and moving a mouse pointer around a screen is easier work than physical labour, even though, like you said, they could make more money elsewhere.

CGTrader can't and won't do anything about this. As 3DCargo stated "its a free market". I think the problem is the people taking these tasks are seriously undermining the value of quality work and hurting themselves in addition to all artists.

Customers are getting, most likely, sub-par quality for a low price, and again, like 3DCargo suggested "you get what you pay for". But not all customers will be accepting of lower quality work, and eventually there will be a reckoning in the industry...mind you this may take months to years.

I can give several examples where cheap labour have caused serious harm to industries. Initially the consumers think that it's great. More competition creates fairer prices, right? But when all of the competition is removed, then the low-balling and low quality players are the only ones left standing. The prices go up and the low quality remains the same. That's when consumers will expect more for their money.

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
Quote: "I think the problem is the people taking these tasks are seriously undermining the value of quality work and hurting themselves in addition to all artists." Important quote, and one that will have an impact on our market soon. CGT will suffer too, of course. But they close their eyes for now. TS is already fighting againts it. Thanks for bringing it up.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Yeah! TS is already fighting! Examples of this desperate fight: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/audi-a7-lowmid-poly-3d-1745021 https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/truck-3d-model-1495915 etc almost 20K models at a price of 1$.
TazMan2000 wrote
Perhaps this is by design. Price all competitors out of the market. I feel sorry for those who made a career out of this, but....Greek philosopher, Heraclitus of Ephesus said "Change is the only constant in life". Another quotation “It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.” — Charles Darwin. Still another. "Adapt or Perish"...H.G. Wells.
Posted about 2 months ago
3

One of the main problems is difference between places (countries) from where artist is coming from. In some countries 2-3$ is enough daily wage for a normal living, where for example in US minimum daily wage is 7.25$ more than double. The problem is that those who are satisfied with 2-3$ are driving prices down in general, so those people who live in higher standard countries can't earn as much as they want/need. Why would someone buy model for 15-20-30$ when they can get something similar/same for 2-3$ that will do the job. Of course we can talk about quality, stolen assets etc. but this is one of the main reasons why prices are low. At the end of the day it all comes down to "fast" money vs appreciation of your own work, most people choose the first one.

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
Quote: "Why would someone buy model for 15-20-30$ when they can get something similar/same for 2-3$ " Ohhhhh, wait.... Please give me an example. You mean you get really the same quality asset that is priced at 15-20-30 from one vendor, and at 2-3 from an another vendor? Your really are dreaming!
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
No, he's not dreaming. The marketplace is packed from top to bottom with high-quality models at a price of 2-3 dollars. Examples: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/plant/other/set-of-japanese-white-pine-or-pinus-parviflora-tree-2-trees https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/nike-sneakers-d2e2321f-1b08-40bb-9efa-121c9ba45f46 https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/truck/volkswagen-constellation-e2770b60-c4f5-4a30-b7e8-dd63f7f7e683 and can be continued endlessly.
PhantomG wrote
Why would I buy this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/sport-car/chevrolet-camaro-2010-c451ddf6-7dea-4c91-a0a2-a2eb6138f15c When I can buy this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/sport-car/chevrolet-camaro-car Or this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/other/chevrolet-camaro-2010-3d-model Or this: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/sport-car/camaro-2009-model
Posted about 2 months ago
2

The world as it is I suppose!....we live in a global economy and these problems extend much further than just the 3d world.

Posted about 2 months ago
10

All industries have a 'race to the bottom' issue. I wouldn't be concerned if you are not in that race yourself. For example I have had potential clients ask me a price for a job, I quote them and then they say this is too expensive. Politely I tell them that they should probably find someone cheaper or I can help them find a junior artist or someone who can suit their budget. This lets the client know you care about their budget, are willing to help but stand firm on you price since you know your worth/experience - you have bills to pay, licenses, rent/mortgage just like everyone else. I let them know by going with a cheaper price the quality may not be what they expect and if they return to me later they will pay the initial price I quoted plus the money they lost in from in the process. Junior artists make more mistakes, produce lower quality and lack communication skills (in my experience). Communication is what higher paying clients expect, ask the right questions, be professional and you will be paid accordingly.

This is why you can buy soap for $20 or $2. Same goes for expensive/cheap cars, there is always a client base - you pick the people you want to work with. When you are young you may be more desperate, as you get older you start to realise what you wont accept, who your audience is and what kind of people/content you rather work with.

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
Amazing! Fully agreed.
Posted about 2 months ago
-7

Why be surprised if Lithuania itself is a 3rd world country with a young population leaving and an old population dying out. In addition, they have huge financial problems. Therefore, racism and support for slavery is their inner world, they do not care about other people

van90 wrote
van90
Oh I had no idea lithuania was that way. That's horrible if its true. but other than the whole prices thing I like the platform.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Before writing such loud statements, it would be nice to tighten up the knowledge of the history of Lithuania and other states, in particular in questions about who so much loved to create colonies and who destroyed entire nations. As for price dumping, it's an issue in almost all freelance platforms and marketplaces. Introduction of price restrictions, strict moderation, recommendations will not change and even more so will not eradicate desires for fast and easy money (even if it is only 1-2 dollars).
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Have you ever been in Lithuania, or you gather your knowledge on facebook, reddit and similar sources of wisdom? I'm Lithuanian myself and live in Lithuania all my life and i can asure you and everybody else, that every word in that message is total bullshit.
githamdaniel wrote
jaguarbeastproduction It is enough for me to know what Lithuania represents now, arranging fascist parades and marches every year and supporting terrorists. This is a dying and angry country, so 1-2 dollars for 2-3 working days is the most relevant price for them, because the administration of this site supports it.
githamdaniel wrote
LemonadeCG Calm down man, I just have one question. Have you stocked up on wood for the winter? Or will you burn your furniture? Independent little Lithuanian
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Holding various actions, including marches, etc., doesn't mean that all residents of the country support them. Neo-Nazis, nationalists are present in a variety of states, this is no reason to hang labels on an entire nation.
githamdaniel wrote
jaguarbeastproduction The fact that the rest of the country's inhabitants do nothing against this means that this is support and justification for Nazism. After all, in Lithuania, these actions are held at the official state level, unlike other countries. Admit it, do you have a portrait of Hitler in the back room?
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Seriously? It is obvious that it is not possible to prove anything to you given at least your nonsense about the portrait of Hitler. As for the gloating about the coming winter, don't flatter yourself if only because now no one can say with certainty whether there will be a next winter, and if so, whether it will not become nuclear.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
@githamdaniel STFU and don't blame yourself. Your speech looks like cheap propaganda-fart. Turn off your TV set and "don't read soviet newspapers in the morning".
Posted about 2 months ago
4

Ya you are right guys, It just sometimes makes me feel horrible like all those years of experience and all the time I spent to be good at what I do. I should just stick to people who appreciate the work. It happened a few times where someone tried to do something cheaper then they actually understood the difference of professional and amateur work It makes me happy that they actually appreciate it after.
At first I was just doing anything for cheap to get some reviews so people would trust me but it is just not sustainable, to make a less than the minimum money to survive I had to work non stop and not sleep properly made me want to kill myself lol. But not anymore
Even in a third world country some prices I see is barely to survive for a person without a family. I think the best solution is that cgtrader invests in a platform for finding these people other jobs that require less work and would be paid more then what they are asking for lol

Posted about 2 months ago
0

This invitation has landed in my inbox couple hours ago. https://ibb.co/8XzSc2X Words can't describe it...

van90 wrote
van90
damn! this is even worse than slavery :D You can reply by saying things like. i would have loved to work on this project for if i were a slave or make a proposal of 10000$ there should be a way to troll these people keep them waiting or something.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Of course It is obvious that this is not a customer but a specialist conducting research in the field of emotional stability of designers and their attitude to price dumping.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
I don't want to spread "conspiracy theories", but sometimes those offers looks like planned psychic attack of some marketing-AI against independent designers and craftsmen...
Posted about 2 months ago
0

The "Troller" should not be name of the car but rather nick of the man who created such fuck-saying job.

Posted about 2 months ago
1

Interesting, who has such a fire butthurt that he puts dislikes on LemonadeCG comment and likes an absolutely fuckin shameless comment about Lithuania.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
It's alright, people are free to express their opinion. If someone is too shy to speak, they can use likes and dislikes :]
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
Obviously the "victim" of the "Russia Today" TV channel. Or more likely just russian troll.
Posted about 2 months ago
3

I dug into my screenshot archive and found few more remarkable job offers. You have to grab opportunity when you can :]

https://ibb.co/ByWnC5Y
An offer to make 300 VR models for $10 - that's 3 cents per model! before tax and fees! Even cgtrader pays more on wildcat.

https://ibb.co/BgYB9dn
When it's free, it's free, you can't beat the price!

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
offer to make 300 VR models for $10 It is like doing 300 BJ´s for $10. Or 300 Kills for the same ammount of money. My personal offer will be to do change the world to good for $1. Who tries?
Posted about 2 months ago
2

Quite often (especially in recent years) after watching showreels demonstrating new features in ZBrush/3ds Max/KeyShot/V-Ray/Corona, etc., get the feeling that works level will rise to unbelievable high level, number of useless stools will decrease, designers will create cool models at good prices but revolutions and significant changes in models quality on marketplaces not happening. Why? Although the question is of course rhetorical.

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
Very good, theoretical question, appreciating it.
Posted about 2 months ago
0

I think that in the world there are also countries with average salaries that are very different from Western countries, they are not as well off as we are and sometimes a person's salary does not reach €50 per month, so if they earn 15-30 dollars for working days for these people is fine.

The real question is the same as always, how can we consent to such a level of inequality?...

I'm sorry if something similar has already been commented, I couldn't read all the comments.

jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
The essence of the problem is the excessive demands of some and the low self-esteem of others. 15-30 dollars is a normal fee for performing simple work that requires no more than an hour of working time.
Posted about 2 months ago
5

All those problems was described by K.Marxore than 150 years ago.
Free market oriented on the maximal profit. Only owner of the marketplace wins. All others (designers and customers both) loses.

CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
Oh man, 150 years ago, there were no compuers, no 3d, no 3d assets. If you think you can apply EVERYTHING from an 150 years old idea to the present, you are LOST!
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
@CGAmp Dude, if you leaving comments just for say "I'm here!!!" and get some rep.points, you are wrong. I've said: some social things are not changed in the last hundreds of years. And you just demonstrating your ignorance.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
It's scary to imagine what kind of world we would live if we were guided in everything only by what was invented at the time when computers and the Internet appeared. A lot of problems arise precisely because much of what was described 150 years ago hasn't lost its relevance even now but is specifically ignored and replaced by ridiculous absurd sentences, one is dumber than the other.
Posted about 2 months ago
4

I used to have a model uploaded for free of space station which I didn't think was up to much really but it racked up hundreds and hundreds of downloads! A couple of months back decided to charge 2 bucks for it which is lowest you can charge.......now zero downloads says a lot really!

skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
When I had few free models, I've had the same situation: hundreds of downloads, NO "Likes", NO comments, NO feedback :) After few months I've faced the fact that some other "designers" are selling MY free models and even are getting POSITIVE rewievs and comments. After it I don't publishing "Free" models at all. Ex-free models now have little price and even sometimes they have sales... "The wonders of people's psychology"...
zabotlama wrote
zabotlama
Other interesting thing is that people are more complaining about cheap 2$ models and less critical at the more expensive ones. But maybe it is logical that cheap models are buying amateurs and the expensive ones professionals. Also professionals mostly dont download free models.
TheGoodBrick wrote
TheGoodBrick
Hey comrades, I share your pain, it is a situation that I have suffered since I started in this, and frankly, I am deeply disappointed. I guess the internet is once again a clear reflection of how people are.
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
Many thieves are trying to sell free models downloaded from CGTrader (the presence of the author on the site does not bother them at all) from GrabCAD, Free3D, 3dsky, 3D Warehouse and other similar sites. Therefore, in my opinion, the probability that a free model (even if it is simple) will be stolen is 100%
jaguarbeastproduction wrote
jaguarbeastproduction
And one more thing that is important and quite funny :) At least every 5th thief in the profile says that he created models back in the time of the Egyptian pharaohs, and has such a unique experience that it is impossible to describe.
CGAmp wrote
CGAmp
I know it exactly. I can follow up ALL of you guys & girls here. The spirit lacks. We should create "virus contended" free assets for them. Those stupids should awake soon.
Posted about 1 month ago
0

You see the impact !

and that means a lot. Already 37 feedbacks within 13 days, this is a lot on the "sorry -- but lazy and very static" CGT forum.

I can follow you completely and I discussed the issue already with some guys on the CGT forum,
but also with some representatives of the CGT platform, and also with some persons in charge on RenderHub and TurboSquid !!!

TS delcared a war on low cost assets, starting with prices around 10 bucks. They research why the asset is low cost
probably manually, if it is truly low quality! or stolen.... or if it is high quality by just low price.
TS will not tolerate "dumping prices" in future, and CGT should BTF do the same, but maybe they think they are smarter.

RH is an another thing, they mostly offer stuff for DAZ to "VERY "price sensiive" buyers (Noobs and DAZ users).
There are cars or yachts or houses done in a period of time between 3-4 days time-budget offered at 8-15 bucks.
Hence, you see perfectly, CGT is not the only issue here.

And if you check up Artstation into its deep, you will discover even more systematically ULTRA dumping prices.

CGT on the other hand should deserve our full attention, since mot sales happen here as I know and many sellers
and buyers claim.
I know exactly the seller names and accounts that sell "apparently" HQ stuff for 5-9 bucks, and I told it already the
CGT team, but they say things like that "we have a free market" and "sellers have the right to sell it how they want,
since they are the rights holders".
My answer was "OK, but they are pushing dumping prices and soon all sellers will have to sell HQ and UHQ assets at
dumping prices too, to compete with such dumping prices".
I also wrote that "it will result in smaller shares od our sales for CGT" -- what is exactly what will happen.. but they just
ignored it, and were not replaying on that fact... that they most probably already know.

Some guys/girls need simply some QUICK bucks, and I REALLY! I can't blame them for that. If they need a small but
quick ammount of money, we shoudl leth them alone and respect that. I can fully understand them, since I am one
of them, even if not leaning out of th window, telling I am ultra-cheap take what you want for almost nothing,

On the other hand, some other users surely use stolen contents, and that is a problem.

Some other do not believe in themeself and try to sell something mega cheap to build up thir ego.

So, I guess it is a bigger problem, and it occurs truly more and more in last months, but firstly it does not apply really
to CGT only, and secondly nobody seems to bring up a working solution.

However, it is very smart from you to notice the issue and to bring it up here on the forum, despite of a lot of resulting
criticism and probably feedbacks from even all the mentioned target group sellers defending themself.
Keept it up! and best thanks for starting it.
I hope this thread will gain some CONSTRUCTIVE feedbacks very soon.
SMART !!!!!! Answers from the CGT team are of course very welcomed,
course very welcomed.

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
All is well said and mostly true, but... dude, you're late to the party like 8 years or so. Price dumping has started way back in the past, it's not a recent phenomenon really. About 5 years ago cgtrader made huge mistake (IMHO) when they started all this discount and sale-offs nonsense. Since then things rapidly went downhill. The market is agonising now, there's nothing to save already.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
@LemonadeCG I think market is not agonizing, but individual designers (we all) are agonizing. Tech.support suddenly said yesterday about some infamous but profitable accounts that they "have a fairly large team and affiliates". And as I remember (I've patiently monitored market situation) those accounts ruined market by number of uploaded models and by dumped price. But now they are almost monopolists and as I see now they have not cheap prices (in my opinion). CGtrader done and does nothing. More! Cgtrader stimulated those market killers and still stimulating! CGT provided them special rules, conditions etc...
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
And another side effect from all this crap: CGT server capacities are half dead. Everyday whole marketplace with all users faces with errors, glitches, freezes, connection and upload problems...
Posted about 1 month ago
-4

"dude, you're late to the party like 8 years or so. Price dumping has started way back in the past"

No. we are not too late.
We are NOW here. and we are as it seems..... the only one who openly claim against that scam.

Hence, DUDE!
just relax and let us do.
Even if you are 8 years too late to protect us with your words from CGT etc.

So, let the mentioned "8 years" be ignored, since it all does still apply here like the fist on the eye.

Posted about 1 month ago
-3

@ skapricorn
quote "And another side effect from all this crap: CGT server capacities are half dead. Everyday whole marketplace with all users faces with errors, glitches, freezes, connection and upload problems..."

I personally experience server issues already when "loggin in", was a naighmare to log in already. Currently log in is already a lottery.
Don´t know how other users are doing with that. But I said it already the CGT team, they of course, ---ignored it successfully------.

Posted about 1 month ago
-2

@ skapricorn

Quote:
"skapricorn@CGAmp Dude, if you leaving comments just for say "I'm here!!!" and get some rep.points, you are wrong. I've said: some social things are not changed in the last hundreds of years. And you just demonstrating your ignorance."

NO!
I hope you already have seen that I mean that discussion serious and that it is am issue that is (for me personally) serious.

Just writing things like "great" and "keep it up" for my ----points----- everywhere........ would be unhonest and not compatible with my DNA and this of my
brandname GCAmp.

I forgive you your suspicion towards me.

--- Keep it up anyway--- :-) !

Posted about 1 month ago
-5

Allrighty

Posted about 1 month ago
0

Probably people agree to such work because there are no better options? The cost for the work performed differs significantly not only in different countries but also within the same country. Workers in big cities, for example, get more. Also, these are new specialists who still do not have enough clients and experience to request large amounts. Who will give them high price?

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