Removing 3D models from Turbosquid

Discussion started by Digitize3D

As it was earier discussed here on the forum Turbosquid is playing dirty now, there are reducing prices of our models and even now they started sale off at the same time as CGTrader. if they want to copy so much, I would suggest they started with the royalty rate, but of course that's not gonna happen.

I am very much urged to remove all my models from there. Yes, sales are better on TS since they stared their unfair strategies, but I wonder if I simply wouldn't have those sales on CGTrader, with a better royalty.

Another matter is I believe that TS dirty play is hurting CGTrader now. Obviously if that other website is copy every move, CGTrader is taking a big hit and we all should consider the best development of this marketplace.

I noticed that many people in the previous topics said that they are removing their models from TS, here is my question for you. How are your sales going now on CGTrader? Did they increase since you don't have your models on TS? I just wonder if those websites don't attract a bit different crowds...

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Posted over 5 years ago
3

I have set my account on Ts to non active because recent price guarantee policy made that service obsolete for me. The average revenue I’m having here on CGt is twice the amount I ever had on Ts, however, keep in mind I never went exclusive on Ts and worked on good position here from day one (took the 60% pain back then) and diverted all marketing efforts to my page here.

Exclusive artists better start realizing they are hurting themselves with supporting only one expensive service. There should be competition to deliver best service to them but how is that going to work if they keep their content on one service?

No one can help you if you do that ok.

You better manage your content yourself and use any opportunity for selling (non exclusively), realize we artist have the power to select the best partners/platforms providing the best tools and most cost effective service, but also realize that we lose that power when we fully sell out to only one.

Unfortunately exclusives have some dilemmas.
The market is getting distributed among meany new opportunity's for selling at lower cost and clients do not stay loyal to one expensive service if they simply google and find good content for less elsewhere. Exclusive artists will continue find themselves beaten down by competition hoe can deliver at lower cost without hurting themselves. On other hand if they upload content to another platform then Ts will confront them with a cliff of 60% while that artist knows he needs to spend some time getting good position on any new platform and google also needs some time to register their content on that new page.

So whatever the do they are going to have some pain before things get better.

The way I see it right now is that most 3D content customers (I’m also seller and customer) have multiple accounts on the established markets, they use one or the other account only if they encounter content they need that is not available on the other or if price is different. This means that if you are not exclusive on Ts you will no longer have any reason to keep same content on it, the small minority that is using Ts and do not have any other account is not worth the risk losing out on those that prefer to use the Ts shopping cart while they do have the other account (after this same price guarantee implementation). Before price guarantee we could think the ones that purchased the content on Ts where Ts customers that do not have any other account.

Also keep in mind that the pages are competing in Google, so you are potentially driving people to your content on a mush more expensive platform and losing out on them for nothing.

Just keep in mind that content can be delivered here at lower rates without hurting oneself because the platform cost is so low here, its hard to beat the sellers here, in the end they also have a nicer page, more professional presentation tools, less friction, etc. Sellers here can compete more successful in many way’s, for example have direct communications with customers and get new opportunity's arising out of that and vise versa, its a growing ecosystem. I got meany new ideas for improvements via the customer relations, its an indispensable recourse and a mutual benefit in meany way’s, customers get happy, get loyal with you, give positive feedback (improves your position), etc. Things are more in line with natural selection in this way, its more efficient and way more cost effective.

Posted over 5 years ago
0

you do realize they arent telling you to reduce prices of your models right? theyre asking people to match their prices across the sites which makes sense, in my opinion you should have the exact same price on every market, otherwise your losing money on the ones where you priced it lower if people will buy your models at the higher prices elsewhere

Digitize3D wrote
Digitize3D
Free market. It should be my decision how I price the model. In your local shop you may have coca-cola more expensive than in supermarket, because the owner needs to have his margin at a reasonable rate, same goes here. I need to have my models at higher prices on TS simply beacuse I get less from selling there due to low royalty rate.
iterateCGI wrote
iterateCGI
@polycube-studios, are you referring to Ts? They actually did tell me to reduce my prices via support message and if I did not do it myself they would automatically get reduced by some automated system they claimed to have. I responded with protesting against it but it had no effect, in response I have put all my models offline to prevent them from enforcing something upon me that I did not want. And sorry but what you are saying for the rest does also not make any sens to me, how would the best service compete successfully if they cannot give the end user a better price as the more expensive competitor? Why would they then give better royalty? They would earn less and be in no way more attractive right? That is exactly what Ts wants, Ts just wants to stop this genuine competition in its tracks, that is the only real reason behind price guarantee, they want to keep the 60% cut and not get hurt, they basically demand it from the artists. CGtrader invests allot of effort to bring a more efficient platform so they can give better royalty (reduce internal costs/friction do automation, etc.) so that you would be able to bring your product to market at a better price. You would sell more models and at same time the platform would then successfully compete (everyone benefits). How would it work if we do not leverage this difference/benefit? Anyways, its perfectly normal in business that the cost you need to do to get your product somewhere is calculated in the price of the product itself and as a developer you always need to be on the lookout to reduce those costs (find better solutions). Ts simply wants you to stop doing that and nullify a better solution you may encounter by enforcing you to give same price, its absolute madness but some just don't see it that way. Anyways, its simply fair that the one that can give a better solution (be the most efficient, etc.) is the one that gets the support, otherwise we never get something better right? Why make something better if it makes no difference? Evolution would just stop and everyone would just continue business as usual. Ts has clearly proven this, right? It did not change in years for the better but now it made more change in one year as in previous 12 years (thanks to some genuine competition), unfortunately, it is changing not for the better (just enforcing more restrictions). Anyways, your free to do as you like here, but I think you better reward a buyer if he finds your content up here, or do you want them to keep buying your models on Ts? Also, can you pleas elaborate on how we exactly lose money if we do not price them same on all platforms?
Posted over 5 years ago
1

Hello! I tried to sell my models on the car for one year. I earned 7 dollars))) Now I deleted my models there and actively fill my store here. For half a year I earned here 25 times more

Posted over 5 years ago
0

What they essentialy want you to do is have the same price in all markets. And it makes NO sense to have different prices just because or royalty rates. Look at it this way. If you posted your model on TS for $100, and people actually buy it for that price, you get lets say $50 based on royalty rate. If you posted it on CGtrader for $100, youd get what, $70-$80? thats $20-$30 more on this site than on TS, so, why in the world would you lower your rate here because of royalties when you can charge the same higher price and get higher income? makes no sense. If you have a buyer who will pay that $100 for that model on TS, they will pay $100 for it on CGTrader. Otherwise, theres not even a point of posting your models on TS if you have it at a lower price here. I am a seller as well as a buyer, and if i find the same models in both places, Im going for the cheaper one, i dont care what royalties you get as a seller, or what the back end support is, etc etc.

I dont disagree with you on their other tactics but pricing to me should be even across every market regardless of what royalties you get, and from my understanding thats what they are trying to enforce, either raising your price on cg to match TS or lowering your price on TS to match CG. Regardless though, I do agree royalties should be higher on markets where WE the sellers basically keep these sites running.

Best of luck. Happy Sales to everyone.

iterateCGI wrote
iterateCGI
Of course you're free to see it that way but also consider this, we would lower the rate because there are more people willing/can buy it for say 80 dollars. We still make 50 on it but sell more and serve more people (think about bigger majority of people in developing country's hoe have lower incomes). Also, quote ”If you have a buyer who will pay that $100 for that model on TS, they will pay $100 for it on CGTrader. Otherwise, there's not even a point of posting your models on TS if you have it at a lower price here.”end quote. Like I said, there are less people willing/can buy it for 100, we do want to serve those others as well do we, but favorably not on Ts, right? The main reason we would still have the same content on Ts (at higher rate) is for the group that do not mind to pay more (they have more money), its also a group that simply do not want to use another account, they like the old place and stick to it. But now Ts decided to listen to some of them hoe started to complain that artists provide same content elsewhere at lower rate but that they do not wish to make an account on those? This is what Matt Wisdom himself told in Ts forum, but what Matt told on that forum is probably just a cover up for the greater ambitions to simply cut away the befits of its great competitors, they do not move aggressively to bring best service to the artists community, they just move aggressively trying killing other services. Basically Ts is shooting in own foot here, now we indeed do not have a reason to have same content on it, Ts has successfully removed the capacity to serve those high paying customers (for non exclusives) in favor for those hoe supposedly complained some things where more expensive then elsewhere. Think about it, so Ts is concerned about some small part of content less then 20% (Ts claimed 80% is exclusive art)? We better think for ourselves and not simply believe what Matt is telling, try imagine what type of discussion Matt and his investors where having prior to setting up its last exclusivity traps (the custom mails with deals). Ts just maximizes fully on creating an artist exploiting machine and needs to setup this sophisticated exclusivity trapping mechanism to succeed. If you do not go exclusive on Ts then indeed you have no reason to be on it anymore, settling for the 60% cut is shooting in own foot now, it made some sense when we could target those high paying customers that refuse using other accounts but it was gone from moment Ts prevented that from happening and also went for low paying customers (from the small 20% of its non exclusive artists). For me its same as telling me join exclusive or just leave. In physical world we also have expensive boutiques targeting high paying customers and other shops that serve lower paying customers, it would make no sense at all if someone would jump in and say “hey this should all cost the same on this places” (even when selling same product on the other would cost 3 times more).

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