Most recent cheats

Discussion started by Tecna

All of them with numerous stolen models, (the majority of Evermotion), published in the last days. Some already reported long ago and with sales. Many of these models are already several years old and appear on several pirated pages

User: dismjuist

User created in April, with 68 models, 65 of them published in the last 2 days, all those published until yesterday are stolen from Evermotion collections and 3 with the 3dsky logo. Sold as models to print, although they are not.

1.- The first 3 models that he published in April have the 3dsky logo, so it should be easy to identify that they are stolen. They are sold for $ 3 each:

2.- Until 2 days ago, she had not republished models, but it seems that she has found a vein. It has 26 models (some have already been removed), taken from this Evermotion collection, which the author sells for $ 144:

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-arch...

It has not been much complicated and he has published them in the same order that they are in the original collection. For example :

3.- Another 9 models, taken from this other Evermotion collection, which also sells for $ 144:

https://www.turbosquid.com/es/3d-models/archexteri...

Also published in the same order as in the collection:

4.- Another 6 models, taken from this Evermotion collection, for sale for $ 144:

https://www.turbosquid.com/es/3d-models/archexteri...

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User: gharatvitesh

User with 16 models and 6 months old. Many of their models are from Evermotion, for example:

1.- The first model he published, for sale for $ 2:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/food/miscellane...

Evermotion original model, for sale for $ 15:

https://evermotion.org/shop/show_product/muffin-15...

2.- The last model published, 4 days ago, on sale for $ 12:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/o...

It belongs to this Evermotion collection (like 6 other models of this cheater), which the author sells for $ 144:

https://www.turbosquid.com/es/3d-models/3d-model-a...

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User: namvip1937 or namcryber

User created a little over a month ago. It has 30 models, 11 of them published in the last 2 days, with images with at least 12 different logos

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User: iddmk971836

User with 6 models, 2 of them from Evermotion, published 2 days ago. At least 1 sale.

these 2 stolen models, for sale for $ 2 each:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/living...

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/kitche...

Images 4 and 8 of this Evermotion collection, on sale for $ 144:

https://www.turbosquid.com/es/3d-models/archmodels...

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User: adams11

User with 35 models, 18 of them published in the last 6 days. Many of them come from well-known pirate pages. Others like this one, which sells for $ 20:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/antique/car...

It's from an exclusive TS vendor, (iljujjkin), released in 2011, for sale for $ 149 and with TS checkmate pro:

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3ds-mercedes-...

5 users with almost 100 models published in the last days, all stolen. And there are many more.

Answers

Posted 5 months ago
4

These people that steal models and then resell them for $2 are not only cheating, but also not very smart. They must think that selling something for such a low price will bring in a bunch of fast sales, but that's not how things tend to work. You would still need to sell over a dozen of those models to reach the minimum payout before you are caught. There's no such thing as "fast cash" in this business. When will they learn?

PhantomDesign wrote
When will they learn not to use the forum to ask when they will be paid.
Anfal-Productions wrote
Anfal-Productions
exactly they are just destroying the market for them and everyone
Posted 5 months ago
6

@luxxeon, not all CGT collection systems need a minimum amount, nor do all cheats sell their models that cheap. The current trend is to raise prices, always below the price of the original model, (except in phantom sales). For example, some of the dismjuist models are on sale for between $ 35 and $ 50. The female models of antaress and daniel87, which are from DAZ, are on sale for between $ 65 and $ 75, and the 2 vehicles of huuthi192, which are from HUM3D, for $ 50 and $ 70. These 2 identical models, published a little over a month apart (I think the author is Evermotion)

Posted by 3dexplore 2 days ago, on sale for $ 14:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/house/exterior-house-scene-b4d4001d-d21d-4574-9e79-3ff31e0ca27d

Posted by mariaenzarnacion almost 2 months ago, on sale for $ 90:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/house/home-exterior-d4bfe750-6101-41b9-b314-e8c113b23c96

In this other model, which sells for $ 65, the 3dsky logo is partially seen in the image:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/bedroom/bed-room-1ddb9c17-09f3-4e97-82c8-9c928fdab167

at 3dsky the pro models sell for $ 7.

Curiously, a model that this user sold, (mariaenzarnacion) for $ 85, on a pirated page where it was previously published, says that the author is MaiHanh, of whom another user mentioned here (namcryber) also has models. The other 3dexplore models are also of the classic models, already deleted by many users.

This other model, released yesterday by architecttr (his only model), on sale for $ 50:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/bedroom/bedroom-scene-a2c624d8-d65d-46a0-a6b7-b00cbfdbf3c6

also has the user scene-pro, published in February and for sale for $ 58:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/bedroom/master-bedroom-tropical-b263493f-4abf-41d8-9720-8f0d0d0b1003

Neither of the 2 is the original author, because the rest of this user's models are also from the classic stolen models (with items from Evermotion, 3dsky ..) and he sells them for $ 48 to $ 76.

It seems that there are fewer and fewer people who dedicate themselves to making models, (especially quality ones) and more people who dedicate themselves to stealing them, that's why more and more, the same stolen models are repeated over and over again.

@PhantomDesign, they are in a hurry to collect their loot, before they are unmasked and expelled.

Note. External links seem to no longer work in the forum.

luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
Wow. Excellent catch! I'm speechless.
PhantomDesign wrote
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/office/bakery-1 https://sketchup.cgtips.org/2412-interior-restaurant-scene-sketchup-model-by-hachikovu-free-download/
Posted 5 months ago
0

Cheaters will remain cheaters whole life.
,,It takes a cheater to beat a cheater.'' (quote)

Posted 5 months ago
3

They're not cheaters, they're thieves and scums.

Posted 5 months ago
3

I agree, things must be called by name, the one who sells stolen models, is a thief who knows perfectly well what he is doing. And it's only a matter of time before I do it again. So I do not understand that CGT consents that they are still here. I'm talking about a user who has been removed twice for it, and who also breaches the exclusivity agreement with another market. CGT knows about these circumstances, but has decided not to eliminate this user, only because at the moment it does not have stolen models (or it may have, but after 2 times of being eliminated it will have been smart and will have better hidden the evidence). The models have not been removed because the thief has repented, they were removed at the request of the original author. Allowing these users is to be tolerant of fraud, a lack of respect for those who suffer theft of their work and very very bad for reputation. That's why you don't see new talented artists around here (that there are), and those that do end up migrating, because patience has a limit. The same is true of buyers.

Posted 5 months ago
4

"female models of antaress and daniel87, which are from DAZ, are on sale for between $ 65 and $ 75" - that's not only stealing as well trying to make a big
rip-off (the most expensive character models which are usually DAZ originals are normally sold for a bit less than 50$ on their website).
Same with all those morphed reallusion characters coming up very often on here anyone can create by her-/himself with the right tools.

It must be the growing disrespect of other people's lives, belongings,
their achievements and other people (including authorities).
Not only here but generally in society (e.g. as seen in nearly every news or outside in the streets nowadays) making it go back to like stone age times.

Posted 5 months ago
0

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/standard/tesla-model-3-2447224b-c595-4af7-aec1-f4d356f2775d

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/standard/tesla-model-3-2018

Every model on this profile is stolen, this one is stolen from Squir...

@Mineral3d This is what it looks like when they are trying to make big...

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Really? What makes you think so? Do you have evidence for your claims? To my trained eye, the models are clearly not the same - topology is different, interior is completely different. Let's not make this and similar threads to witch hunt, or else it will end badly before we know it.
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
LemonadeCG is correct here. I examined the wireframes of both cars, and they are not the same topology. They are the same car, but that's just coincidence. The models are not the same geometry. This one is not stolen. We must take care of our accusations and use only factual cases after careful research and examination of the underlying geometry. In most cases, thieves will not only use the exact same models, but they're too lazy to make new preview renders so they will steal even the preview renders from the originals.
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
They look very different to me as well like the interior. "Heavy modifying" would usually mean a lot of work like creating new UV - maps and textures etc. ..... - Thieves want to make fast money without having to do all that work. And I was only speaking about people trying to rip off folks with stolen DAZ models since I know their prices pretty well.
skapricorn wrote
skapricorn
@LemonadeCG @luxxeon agree... they differs. And it's (at least for me) the good example of "copyright" controversy and it shows why I'm not agree with Tecna and other people that are saying "modeling replicas is the same as piracy and stealing"...
Posted 5 months ago
0

They are heavly modified models , that's why he/she isn't caught for long time. If you look closely with you trained eyes you will see quiet a lot exactly the same shapes in topology. Seats are from another model wich I already sent as proof to support.

PhantomDesign wrote
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/luxury/rollsroyce-phantom-limousine https://hum3d.com/360-view/?id=156616 @LemonadeCG Are these topology similiar enough to you ?
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
I'll have to take a look at the seats. There will be cases of geometry having the same shapes and edge flows if they're working from the same blueprints and using similar modeling techniques. For example, any model created using a tutorial will be topologically identical, even though they are uniquely created.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
If you have proof and already sent them to the support, then everything's great. Your previous message painted quite a different picture though. I'm not saying that you're dfinitely wrong, but if you're throwing such serious accusations like "every model on this profile is stolen", you'd better have serious proof of that. Keep being vigilant, just don't cross fine line between being keen observant and being quick to throw false accusations.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
Support will be able to tell very easily if it's stolen or not when they overlap the two models. If the majority of the points coincide it will be clear. It's impossible to make identical model (of that complexity) just by using similar technique.
PhantomDesign wrote
@LemonadeCG I will said again , every model on that profile is stolen, I won't post that here if I'm not 100% sure, I always do thorough job when it comes to these thievs. I have 15 years of expirience in modeling cars for games, so trust me on this one. Also there is a lot more that I "catch" I just can't put that on forum because forum is too small for that. @trimitek "It's impossible to make identical model (of that complexity) just by using similar technique." That's what is all about.
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
@trimitek I agree, it's not possible to make an identical model with so many different parts "accidentally" or coincidentally. However, I did spot enough differences with the exterior topology of the model to qualify it as a possible coincidence, but deeper observations would need to be made. I didn't see if the UV's were the same, nor did I really compare the interior topology. The UVs would certainly tell the tale if the model was simply modified or created with unique intent. UV's which contain exactly the same island layout (even with different topological landmarks) would indicate something much more than just coincidental modeling technique. I suppose it's up to the Support team to do the due diligence in a cases like this.
Posted 5 months ago
2

@ Mineral3D I have seen DAZ models put up for sale (and sold multiple times) for $ 150, from a user who has been removed 2 times. All models of the user were removed at the request of DAZ but not the user and although CGT said that user could not be used again, the truth is that it was used and spent almost a year selling the same models that had been removed. I have also seen 2 other users, with more than 200 models each, (and numerous sales), who also had almost all models removed (all of which were from DAZ), also at the request of DAZ. They sold them as printables, with DAZ poses and accessories (wings, for example) and after modifying them minimally they republished them (and doubled their reputation). They are still here.


@PhantomDesign, the case of vehicles is the most difficult to prove because it is logical that they apparently look alike. In the first case, it showed that many similarities are noted in some areas of the topology (poles placed in the same position), but there are also different areas, making it 100% impossible to say that it is the same. In those cases, even if they were actually derived from those models, as in the DAZ model modifications, even with a claim from the owner, CGT will not do anything. That's why DAZ and vehicle models are the most pirated.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
That's even worse that even such companies' requests seem not to have an impact. Very sad story :(
Tecna wrote
Tecna
That is a violation of copyright law, because a formal claim from the owner is not being honored. This can cause penalties and even the temporary closure of the offending website, so I don't know how they don't take it more seriously.
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Of course it is but that's what both companies got lawyers for and we don't have any influence on it. So no reason to waste time thinking about it.
Posted 5 months ago
4

https://ibb.co/r2yQvDm

Red: similiarities
Blue: modification
Yellow: different subdivision (the squir model that is circuling around internet is in it's lowest polycount so you can change couple of edges and than do subdivision)
Orange: parts from another model

There is more, is just that they can't be see on this picture. Of course these are all coincidence, and also is coincidence that this guy have forza motorsport 7 , forza horizon 3-4 models on sale wich I already reported with solid proof.

I just tried to help and make this place better. I won't bother anymore to post thieves on forum.

luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
Hmmm. That's definitely more compelling evidence than the previous post. Please don't be offended if there is disagreement in the forums. That's part of finding the truth. Everyone appreciates the work you are doing, and no one is trying to discourage it. Opinions can and often do change as facts are unfolded.
PhantomDesign wrote
My bad that I didn't post this in the first place. I don't like to post thieves on the forum because they get spooked. With this i just wanted to show publicly these new/old "tuning thieves" that have their own workshops so they can work on stolen cars.
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
You are doing great work, and please keep fighting the good fight. The fewer cheats and thieves we have in the community the better our chances of making legitimate sales and being compensated for our hard work over the years. Someone who takes shortcuts and tries to take advantage of other people should never be rewarded.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
@PhantomDesign, i can only repeat what luxxeon has said - don't be discouraged if not everyone agrees with you on some topics. Arguments and discussions are vital for finding the truth. Disagreement is just a part of discussion. Do keep fighting with fraudsters and contribute to making cgtrader a better place. It's not the most important thing if you'll do this publicly or in private.
PhantomDesign wrote
The problem is that it is hard to find the "tone" in the written message so messages often looks "aggressive and offensive" and not as it should be. Talking about these thieves on the forum is a kinda sensitive, but there is no better way to warn peoples (legit artists, customers) about this. As far as this particular case goes, will see what support will decide, in my opinion this seller made quite a lot of money and that money should go to someone who deserve it. There are peoples here that make a living out of this. Everyone can download stolen model and put it on sale here, they think they are smart ... No I am not discouraged, to the contrary, I just don't want to make big fuss here on the forum because thieves are watching closely.
Posted 5 months ago
2

good work @PhantomDesign. Simple cases of lazy thieves are easy to spot, but there are others that camouflage very well. I think that if CGT did a thorough analysis like the one you have done, many others could be unmasked. Unfortunately CGT is not interested, (that is why it allows models to be published without displaying the mesh), or is tolerant of other cases already mentioned, nor does it have the resources to do so. Contrary to what @nexstosico quotes, I think that in this case, to beat a cheater, you don't need a cheater, you need more people like you. Together we can eliminate those who steal and take advantage of the models of others.

Posted 5 months ago
5

Feature suggestion - i think cgtrader could inplement automatic wireframe rendering for all models hwere that's technically possible and add them to the preview images. It shouldn't be hard to do this and i know for sure that they are more than capable to do this. Such feature not only would help easier identify stolen/cloned models, but also would be very helpful to regular buyers.

PhantomDesign wrote
We are talking about something that sketchfab had for ages...
Posted 5 months ago
2

Very good idea, for me it is very sad to see models so poorly presented, without images, without model information, without description ... I would be ashamed to present my work so poorly, and if I were a buyer I would NEVER buy those models, for very cheap they are.

Posted 5 months ago
3

Looks like a witch-hunt of people not having wireframe pictures.
Not all models published where a mesh isn't shown are stolen since on many stores it is common not to show meshes.
If a product consists of several models it can be quiet a lot of meshes to show nor would it prevent people of stealing.
I don't for my models at the moment cause I don't see the sense in it.
If asked to do so - no problem - will do when I've got time.
That's why I keep native zbrush/GIMP/substance painter/iclone project files in case proof is needed.

Finished DAZ products have my nickname encrypted in data files everyone can read inside DAZ Studio, iclone models are merged together in a way one would have a hard time to change something.
So these are good ways as well to prevent theft.

I think a good description and all points like polycount if it's rigged, PBR, etc. should be filled out.
So it might be a better idea to provide screenshots of native data though.
Putting inventive names on products / models might a good way to prevent theft as well.

I could write on but have to drive to work now....

Posted 5 months ago
4

Good idea of LemonadeCG and good counter-argument of Mineral 3d. I pressed "arrow up" for both.
I think adding the USEFUL visual and descriptive information need to be reflected on "publishing score" (for the start). At this moment publishing score depends more on bullshit than on useful and informative actions... It can be the stimulus for designers and it need to give more chances to designer to be vieved/exposed/sold.

And another open idea: we are living in the era of the dawn of AI-technologies. Face recognition, image analysis, "deep learning"... I think it can be relatively easy implemented to analysis of 3d-models to compare (by using many methods starting from checksum and further to compare meshes as they are, compare voxelized models to find similarities in proportions etc... it's nearly the same as pretty old technologies of restoring, aligning and registering 3d-scanned data) etc... it's very ambitious and complex idea. But when somebody will made similar system it can be very useful and can have good commercial perspective and implementation... Sad I'm not programmer/coder :)))

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Good idea with the checksum (think LemonadeCG had already on another thread). But comparing models in different formats would be an impossible thing (like if you wanted to compare e.g. ingredients of tomato ketchup or something else which is secret). Or they must enforce that every model / product must be uploaded as OBJ - file (since some folks on here like to enforce everything).
Posted 5 months ago
5

@ Mineral3D, not a witch hunt. On the one hand I think that the topology is very important, especially in animation models, the flow of loops, the placement of the poles, make the difference. For example, 2 connected poles or a megapole can cause tension to the mesh, which results in bad deformations or artifacts in the render. On the other hand, most of the times the mesh is not shown, it is with the intention of hiding evidence, because the model is stolen. Thieves are lazy and it is easier to hide the mesh than to have to modify it. Of course there may be exceptions, as with the DAZ models, which do not usually show the mesh of their products, but in other areas, especially years ago, if you did not show the mesh, no one valued your work. Completing the information (number of vertices ...) helps the buyer to decide if the model fits his needs. The impression of seeing such a poorly presented work without detailed information ... is that the author does not care about his work. And if you do not worry about doing a good job, in the part that is seen at first glance and without more information available, the logical thing is to think that what is not seen will not be good either. Your proposals are very good, I hope you will develop them when you have time.

@ skapricorn, your proposals are also very good. The current scoring system is totally corrupted and useless. Many publish the same image up to hundreds of times, and copy the description from wikipedia, to get more points, but do not include the slightest model information. Others say the model is rigged or animated, but they also don't include any poses or animations. Those features are automatically approved just by checking the appropriate boxes, but the buyer is likely to be disappointed if they buy the model "blindly." Shoppers with a bad experience might not bother asking for a refund (time is more valuable than low prices), but they probably won't buy anything here again. Those who take the trouble to do a good job should be rewarded, with a higher score, because that would also attract quality buyers and would be beneficial to everyone, including CGT. The other idea is also very good, but as you say it is more ambitious, it would be a great achievement, which would make CGT stand out. Hopefully these proposals are taken into account. As @LemonadeCG said, I think they are capable of doing it, but I don't know if they would be willing.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Even though I still think forcing people is a bit drastic you convinced me. Made myself one or two times a bad experience with models I bought on DAZ even though they all go through reviewing processes there. Since most of them are of really good quality I didn't care. Things like poles, n-gons I try to avoid anyway. But I'd like to know what a "megapole" is (can't find any info on that).
Posted 5 months ago
2

The poles are necessary (vertices connected to 3 or 5 edges), they are the ones that mark the path of the loops. If there are no poles, the mesh is very gridded. But it is not good that 2 poles are connected to the same edge. A megapole is a vertex connected to more than 5 edges. On flat surfaces they do not give problems. Also avoid distorted faces more than 45º, especially when using subdivision.

Can you explain about the encrypted nickname? You can also include a text, lost in some line of the .obj file or in the text console of .blend files

Posted 5 months ago
1

Thanks for the explanation. So far I always thought poles are the central points / vertices on caps of cylinders and spheres. And that these should be avoided whenever possible. These are those megapoles then.

If you hover with your cursor over any object inside DAZ Studio's "Content Library" a popup - window displaying "File Name", "Author" and "File" appears.
The author name is the nickname of the creator on her/his DAZ website account. It gets stored automatically with other data like Vendor name, ERC (Enhanced Remote Control) - controls, morphs, etc. in files inside the "data" directory (is created automatically once you save your figure, asset).
These can be saved uncompressed (so anyone can read/edit them) or compressed (you won't be able to read them). Last usually is done at final release.
My name there is "Mineral". Actually wanted that one on here as well but
it was taken already at that time nor I wanted to change it on my DAZ account.

Also file info like creation date, date of modification (if changes have to be done) are displayed (which can help proof).

That's no full protection against thieves off course (any object could be exported and imported again). But possible thieves would have to set up all shaders, weight mapping again and create a new armature then setup ERC and whatever is included again.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
EDIT: So I keep native files to be able to give "bulletproof" proof if would ever needed.
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
There was a time when I considered modeling some stuff for use in Daz Studio, but the process of converting the content to a native file format and keeping the file structure clean for use in their database deterred my interests. I just never found the time to do it properly. I wanted to simply convert some of my props into the Daz native format so I could sell some things over at the Daz marketplace, but it seemed extremely convoluted and overly complex compared to getting things out in other marketplaces like CGT or TS. I'm sure the effort is worth it though, as most of the clients there are hobbyists and always looking to purchase their content. I have a few friends who have sold there and claim the quantity can more than makeup for the reduced pricing scales compared to professional markets. Although the pricing now in the professional markets has fallen to the hobbyist levels anyway, in large part because of stolen assets.
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Yes the format is interesting and I must admit I needed to read a lot in their "Documentation Center" and look lots of tutorials till I was able to work with it properly. And it's very time consuming till you have all steps done. I tried myself twice to get on there for selling but after getting no answer for weeks I gave up trying. Plus from those low prices (which are made by DAZ) the artists get 50% except very few outstanding creators get some more. Your friends will know. ;) - The great thing there (if one manages to get on there) is that they do advertising / creating the description for you. And bloody theft has affect on everybody honest.
Posted 5 months ago
1

@ Mineral3D, thanks for the explanation. Although it is not a total protection, it sounds interesting, but still the DAZ models are among the most pirated. No wonder it is, because I think they have high quality models.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
And don't get sold in DAZ Studio format but exported fbx / obj files by thieves...
luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
Correct me if I'm wrong, Mineral3d, but I feel like the quality of products for Daz stuff is about on par with the quality we find for almost any package these days. It all depends on the artists. I've seen many Daz products which were obviously great in terms of textures, but that's to be expected if the only concern about quality is, in fact, the texturing and materials. The difference is that many Daz creators do not need to focus on actual modeling if they're in the business of making characters. It's more a matter of morphing a geometry which is already created and then designing your textures for that shape. That's quite different from having to create a geometry structure from the ground up, rig the figure, then also worry about designing textures and materials, etc. Most of the artists who do create original geometry over at Daz are working with static props and clothing. I think almost every character at Daz is based around their pre-defined character mesh topology and rigging, so morphs and textures are the main things to develop there when it comes to characters. Is that accurate?
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
For most humanoid characters you are correct (I say most since am not 100% sure if there are some which aren't). Most are based on / derived from the basic Genesis characters and only allowed to be sold there. That has nothing to do with modelling as you write. All can be achieved by morphing and texture editing. There is (like for reallusion's character creator) a plugin which creates the head from a photograph, bodies get morphed then. All meshes and armatures of the original Genesis versions. Objects like vehicles, clothing and static props are really modelled / UV unwrapped / rigged.
Posted 5 months ago
5

More thieves who have posted models this week:

User: 3dBulk

26 days old user and 71 published models, stolen from various authors.

1.- stolen model, for sale for $ 8:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/plant/pot-plant/bush-plant-decorative-set-on-shelf

Original author Deckorator, for sale for $ 12 from 04-11-2018:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/other/rack-with-the-decor-of-figurines-and-plants-43dbd323-721a-42bd-b9c1-611f5dd1ea01

2.- Stolen model, (previously deleted by many users), for sale for $ 5:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/other/stuffed-toy-5-bears

Posted by another cheater, chemso59, on 02-03-2019, on sale for $ 11 (with 1 sale):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/sports/toy/realistic-children-teddy-bears

Original author 3Dmodels_rumeli, for sale for $ 65 from 06-21-2015:

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/family-3ds/939370

3.- Models of hospital material (14 models), for sale for $ 6 each and $ 38 the collection:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-model-collections/hospital-equipment-device-collection

Original author CGAxis, on sale for $ 99 the complete collection:

https://cgaxis.com/product/cgaxis-models-volume-55-3d-medical/

4.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 8:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/interior/bathroom/bathroom-accessories-set-acca5a60-4f33-4057-b18d-2808796d0fee

Original author Nice pictures, on sale for $ 74 since March 2018:

https://www.turbosquid.com/en/3d-models/3d-model-bathroom-accessories-6-1272037

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User: iLovemodelling (funny name for a model thief)

User with 102 models, 25 days old and at least 1 sale, with models extracted from games: League Of Legends, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Deadfall Adventures, LostField and others ...

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User: 3DAnimalModel

Probably a repeat user, 4 months old (02-27-2020) Dinosaurs from The Stomping Land game, recently deleted by PansyArt and jacki-rulit

1.- The description of this model says it all:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/bird/dragon-tranist

2.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 45

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/dinosaur/austroraptor-3d-model-with-animation-game-ready

Original author Vlad Konstantinov, for the game The Stomping Land (since 2014):

https://www.behance.net/gallery/17989751/Austroraptor-The-Stomping-Land

3.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 50:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/dinosaur/puertasaurus-dinosaur-3d-model-with-animation-game-ready

Original author Vlad Konstantinov, for the game The Stomping Land (since 2014):

https://www.behance.net/gallery/13521117/Puertasaurus-The-Stomping-Land

4.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 55:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/dinosaur/carnotaurus-dinosaur-3d-model-with-animation-game-ready

Original author Vlad Konstantinov, for the game The Stomping Land (since 2014):

https://www.behance.net/gallery/13521253/Carnotaurus-The-Stomping-Land

5.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 45:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/dinosaur/tyrannosaurus-3d-model-with-animation-game-ready
Original author Vlad Konstantinov, for the game The Stomping Land (since 2014):

https://www.behance.net/gallery/16223571/Tyrannosaurus-The-Stomping-Land

6.- Not only the models are stolen, also the background images (the previous model has a watermark on the image) and the image of this other model:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/animals/fish/basilosaurus

is the property of Gene Raz von Edler:

https://www.deviantart.com/ellysiumn/art/The-Seeker-764506476

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User: eminbozgeyik27

A young promise, 16 years old (prohibited by internal regulations and the law), 6 days old and 9 stolen or free models (as he himself says, he recently started this business)

1.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 65:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/sport/audi-r8-643cf222-456b-49cd-b157-201c3abb4637

Author exoodus12, free since May 2017:

https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-models/car/luxury/audi-r8-dccd0672-d1be-452b-b11e-7494a6a33efb

The rest of the models appear in links to pirated pages, even the images have been used in real news pages, related to those weapons, or printable weapons forums.

Conclusion: thieves abound and stolen models are quite repeated. Some of these models are up to 10 years old. They are bad symptoms for the market. If there is no remedy, we go straight to disaster.

luxxeon wrote
luxxeon
Great work, Tecna. That last one really makes me sad. Just 16 years old and already involved in the dark side of the business. Not to mention the free model he stole is of such good quality, that exoodus12 should be honored for giving away such a decent model for others to study and learn from, not taken advantage of. Unfortunately, I had many free models out there years ago but I had to change that strategy because too many people were downloading them and then reselling them for greedy, monetary gain. I used to offer more than a dozen free models because I had hoped people would not only find them useful but also newbies could learn something from them. It's really unfortunate this is no longer something people appreciate.
Posted 5 months ago
3

@luxxeon, thanks. Detecting them is easy, at least to most. The complicated thing seems to be, that CGT does not let them re-enter and that they comply with their own rules and the law. People don't seem to realize that this is a business, with legal responsibilities. And that infringing copyright and profiting from it is a crime, which can carry administrative and even criminal penalties (jail). Allowing minors to open accounts is yet another infraction and all responsibility lies with CGT. If CGT does not solve these problems, the solution will have to be found elsewhere, but these situations must end now, one way or another. Enough of shrugging and resigning. Enough already, giving long and good words, but not solutions, because in the meantime the offenders and CGT fill their pockets at the expense of the work of others. Another new thief, less than a month old and 20 stolen models, has released another Evermotion vehicle today:

Stolen model, for sale for $ 22:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/sport/tesla-high-details

Evermotion original model, for sale for $ 60:

https://evermotion.org/shop/show_product/car-2-hdmc6/13062

The rest of their models, of course, are also stolen, many of them are from 3dsky, but it is more difficult to find them in 3dsky than in the many pirated pages they have been in for a long time (the links on those pages are better located in the searches). In some it is not necessary to look, it is already seen in the logo of the image, like this one by Voskresenski Vladislav:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/decoration/french-glass-cloche-starry-star-light

or this of DITIM:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/lighting/ross-light-lamp-wood

Posted 5 months ago
4

Another new thief (user racevinia), 10 days old and 26 stolen models.

1.- Stolen model, published today and for sale for $ 4 (you can clearly see who the author is):

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/car/suv/auto-w-motors

Original Hum3d author, for sale for $ 95:

https://hum3d.com/3d-models/w-motors-lykan-hypersport-2012/

2.- Stolen model for sale for $ 2:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/other/sculpture-d9692c61-28b0-49e0-aedc-105188e52d50

Original author Evermotion, for sale for 10.87 each mask:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/architectural/decoration/colorful-african-mask

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/household/other/african-tribal-mask--2

3.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 4:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/military/war-machine-fe084b05-7181-4a19-895c-9d9b2ca72813

Original author Evermotion, on sale for $ 20:

https://evermotion.org/shop/show_product/military-1-am84-archmodels/4407

4.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 2.80:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/motorcycle/motorcycle-60f5123a-b721-4676-9a20-e5d4d682d81f

Again the original author is Evermotion, on sale for $ 30.18:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/motorcycle/red-dirt-bike

5.- Stolen model, for sale for $ 4:

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/gun/gun-gun-dbcebd07-c6bd-4d9a-ba9e-c81dfc1337b5

Original Hum3d author, for sale for $ 95:

https://hum3d.com/3d-models/colt-m4a1-with-m203/

LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
I hope cgtrader support personnel is having good rest over weekend, because they will have to work very hard to keep up with your reports in monday :]
Posted 5 months ago
1

Unfortunately there is much to report and the work accumulates, the first mentioned in this thread, I sent them on Wednesday and they have not yet fallen. They have to find an effective and permanent solution to this problem because it is getting out of hand. Having to use resources, in eliminating the same cheats over and over again, with the same repeated models, is not doing things well and has repercussions. If they solved this problem once and for all, they could use the resources to improve the web, because even pirated pages work better than CGT lately. Nor is it advisable to anger honest sellers and buyers who are scammed by buying those stolen models, because they will end up losing both of them and also their good reputation (all very difficult to recover, as they surely know, although it does not seem so).

I have not seen that any of the cheats mentioned here have an account in TS or 3dexport (although I have seen others, who are waiting to be eliminated). It is painful to look at the new models that are published in CGT daily, (new here, not in the pirated pages from which they come). And it is also a pity that the few good and original models that are published go unnoticed, buried among the mobs of trash models and because of bad practices, used by unscrupulous sellers to improve the scoring of their models, (including votes to their own models, by their multiple clones, something that shouldn't be allowed either.)

Come on, in addition to resting well, they have to charge the batteries and even develop superpowers, because the situation requires it.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
I get the impression whole groups / gangs might be behind that discovering this as a new sector, maybe also for other purposes then making quick money (maybe this is also a big money - washing machine - who knows except them). That are often same accounts who buy of them as it looks.
trimitek wrote
trimitek
Matt Wisdom was talking about Chinese mafia invading the 3D market some time ago. Sounded funny back then. Now, not so much.
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Not only mafia structures, but arab / african family clans use everything to wash their dirty money and don't mind to loose a little because that's "nothing" for them. The more inconspicuous the better.
LemonadeCG wrote
LemonadeCG
Can you post the link to the seller's frontpage please?
Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Thought he was gone. Not yet... :( - Really hard to understand that stealing one model isn't enough. Wonder how this world would be if they led everyone robbing someone physically go...
PhantomDesign wrote
This (my post )really speak for itself isn't it ?
trimitek wrote
trimitek
@Mineral3D Very good analogy. Having: "Stealing up to 4 times is allowed" in law will be outrageous.
Posted 5 months ago
1

I do not know if they will be mafias, but it is true that there are many thieves from China, India, Turkey, Vietnam ... and countries that are not characterized by their respect for copyright and industrial property. I have also seen many accounts that were clearly used for money laundering. Although there are new additions, (such as the 16-year-old user mentioned in this thread), many of them are repeat offenders, who reappear on numerous occasions. The blame of course, and the responsibility lies with the markets like CGT, which consent. They are too tolerant of these thieves and if they do not help, it may be their downfall.

I also take this opportunity to say that Daniel87 and Antaress, are the same person and have eliminated the evidence in CGT (not in other markets), before being eliminated. They are not only thieves, they also use different information in the different profiles (falsehood in a commercial document). I hope CGT does the right thing and removes them. Because although they have removed the evidence, they are thieves. DAZ has also been informed. The authorities will also be informed of all these irregularities.

Mineral3D wrote
Mineral3D
Let's hope your effort will be rewarded. Will be interesting if DAZ will try an oversea's lawsuit, at this time in particular. Actually I don't believe much in law system. There were just cases revealed where police was involved selling peoples bicycles without allowance through their family members... - and that happened here in the middle western Europe. And that's probably just a "little thing". Now they try to figure out which people working there were involved.
Posted 5 months ago
2

CGT once again demonstrates its poor honesty and high tolerance for thieves, by not eliminating users Daniel87 and Antaress, who have been faster at eliminating evidence, than CGT solving the report, which does not invalidate that it is a thief . Respect must be earned and you have lost mine.

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